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Is my16 yr old daughter's relationship ok?

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dun3dinn · 04/11/2021 13:49

Hi there, would welcome your opinion about how to navigate my 16yr old daughter's relationship... she has been with her 18 yr old boyf for about a year. He is a sweet lad in lots of ways, however he also seems extremely dependent on her. He moved over here from the caribbean about 4 yrs ago and now lives with an extended family member. She has told me, and he has told my daughter, a little about the traumas he suffered when he was young. As a result he is estranged from all of them. His foster carer has severe mental health problems and recently was sectioned during a psychotic episode. During this time, he left college and took on responsibility for all the bills, rent etc, while also, understandably, being more dependent on my daughter. He works full time in a pub and has few friends. His foster carer is now back living with him, and seems in a more balanced place. She has lots of support with her health. She is nurturing but also canbe v irritable I think when she's feeling unwell. She is v invested in them being together and continually giving her presents. My daughter wants to be with him all the time. When they're not together he becomes very jealous and wants to know where she is and who she's with. Even when she says 'I'm at home with my mum and dad' he sometimes won't believe her and get angry with her for not replying to his messages more quickly. She'll try and reassurre him, and if that doesn't work, he'll get mad. I hear them screaming at each other over facetime. Then he'll back down, be regretful and tell her he doesn't deserve her and that she should break up with him. This makes her even more upset trying to convince him that's not true. Another thing I have an issue with is how his carer is ok with him smoking weed at home, and she also sometimes smokes with him. I know my daughter has got into this too. We have very clear rules at home about not smoking. I
It came to a head this week when she came down with a fever and went to bed early. I heard a buzzing from her room on my way to bed and it was him trying to ring her. She stirred and picked up as I entered. He demanded to know where she'd been. She said I'm ill in bed and have been asleep, he shouted 'you can't have been asleep all this time'. I was in the doorway. Unusually, she let me intervene and say to him, hey there, cool it, she is ill and you've just woken her up.' There have been other times when I've asked him, gently, to give her space. Even though I do this with love, I feel the shame emanating from him. She really wanted him to come over the next day while she was ill, as he was too, and it was his day off. My husband put his foot down and said, no, that's not reasonable. It's hard to know how much it's her desperate to see him, or her feeling the desperation from his need? As at other times she hints at the pressure she feels under, and how guilty she feels for all she has compared to him. I'm finding it really hard to know how much to intervene and how much to let this play out. I'm not sure how much protection she (or he) needs. Sorry this has got so long! But if you've reached the end and have the energy, I would welcome your perspective.

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Cloudyzebra · 04/11/2021 13:54

It certainly doesn't sound like a healthy relationship for either of them. I don't think you can stop it, and you need to tread gently as if you push she will just go more towards him. Have you tried speaking to your DD about it, and asking how she feels about things? If she is open to discussing it I'd go down that route. You may find she has doubts and would welcome your input. I'd be guided by her and be there to support her when it inevitably ends in tears.

toomuchlaundry · 04/11/2021 13:58

Why does he have a foster carer if he is 18?

Viviennemary · 04/11/2021 14:02

The pot smoking is a big red flag. It can csuse mood swings and aggravate mental health issues. I wouldn't encourage this relationship. The foster carer situation sound strange.

lobsteroll · 04/11/2021 14:28

The jealousy would be a HUGE no for me. I appreciate it's so hard to navigate as a parent when they are that age but you've absolutely got to teach her that it isn't normal and shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstance.

waterrat · 04/11/2021 14:42

At her age I had a v intense relationship that worried my parents with an 18 Yr old who had mental health problems. I don't think you can help that part of it tbh as I don't think anything would have stopped me.

But. The jealousy and accusations are abusive I would focus heavily on that

waterrat · 04/11/2021 14:43

Could you have some calm chats with her where you talk about controlling behaviour. His shame is irrelevant if he is behaving abusively

Could you give her Lundy Bancrift book why does he do that.

Cameleongirl · 04/11/2021 14:59

I agree with the PP’s. While I feel very sorry for the bf’s difficult situation, it’s a lot for a 16-year-old to cope with and he’s becoming controlling, due to his emotional dependence on her.

You seem to have a good relationship with him as well and it’s good that he’s listened to you in the past when you’ve asked him to give her space.

I’d keep talking to them both and encourage your DD to share her feelings with you. It’s very hard to navigate these intense relationships and sometimes encouraging your child to end it draws them closer together instead. My DD (16) has a couple of friends who are/have been in intense relationships-one recently ended hers, but it needed to be HER decision, IYSWIM. The other girl is still seeing her bf and her Mum ( one of my close friends) has talked to her about controlling behavior and emotional dependence. She thinks her DD is gradually realizing that things are too much.

dun3dinn · 04/11/2021 16:46

Your comments are so so helpful thank you.

At calmer moments she is able to talk about it with me - and sometimes her dad too. I don't think it helps that one of her closest friends is in an relationship with one of her bf's friends, and he is even more controlling and abusive. So she sees that and how bad that is and tries to give her friend advice, but doesn't see her own relationship being nearly as 'bad' as that. But someone else reflected to her recently that hers sounded 'toxic' when they overheard her on the phone to him and that really stayed with her.

She did break up with him briefly a few weeks ago and she seemed so relieved, but I don't think he's going to let go of her very easily.

I will definitely look at that book you recommended @waterrat and like you're all saying, keep normalising what's healthy and what really isn't ok.

Also - re. foster care, he's only just turned 18 so that is why i still call it that.

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miltonj · 04/11/2021 17:02

@toomuchlaundry

Why does he have a foster carer if he is 18?
You can stay in the foster system until you are 21. Even after that, the arrangement may continue, especially if it has been a long term placement. In these cases, the carer is effectively their parent. Would you say 'why does he have a mum if he's 18?'? Not that this is the point of the thread at all though.
toomuchlaundry · 04/11/2021 18:55

@miltonj the foster carer doesn't sound a very stable influence

Flowersintheattic2021 · 04/11/2021 21:14

Make sure she is on contraception he will try talking her into having a baby and making them a family or some daft craft to trap her. I'd suggest depo as it can make you infertile for a year after stopping it

Cameleongirl · 04/11/2021 21:59

Absolutely yes to contraception and my friend is also talking to her daughter about future plans-she wants to go to university and they’re starting to look into the admissions requirements and campuses she wants to visit. That’s helping her think about what she wants long term and distracting her from her bf.

dun3dinn · 05/11/2021 14:35

I think you're right @toomuchlaundry, the foster carer isn't a stable influence, even though she tries hard and has good intentions to be. Luckily my daughter was keen to go on contraception, so that is all sorted @Flowersintheattic2021 thanks.. the implant wasn't great but she now has a copper coil, and he was supportive of that so no risk there. And yes, @Cameleongirl she has strong motivation still to go off to dance school/uni in a city (we live quite rural) so definitely going to keep putting energy into helping her move away after A-Levels. I think it's hard that, like most people, he's not all bad. However, it is really important to keep focus on the behaviours that he does do being abusive in themselves and not ok way to carry on.

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