Unbiased info for vaccination (or not) of teens

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I'm not looking for a for and against as I'm aware everyone will have their own .

I'm looking for something I can read that will help me abs my daughter decide whether she should have the Covid vaccine. I'm aware generally speaking it's for the greater good but I don't know how comfortable I feel giving her a fairly new vaccine when she's at almost zero risk herself (although I am slightly high risk, property group 6) as she also had Covid in July.

Everywhere I look it seems to be completely against it or completely for it, and it all seems very subjective

Sorry for all the typos! I'm priority group 6

It should be easy to find what you are looking for but I don't think it even exists.

Could you sit down together and divide a piece of paper into four sections -

1. For getting vaccine
2. Against getting vaccine
3. For not getting vaccine
4. Against not getting vaccine

Thank you, that's exactly what I thought!! The fact I can't easily find this information makes me lean more towards not getting it for her (completely Pro safe vaccination normally, and I'm double jabbed)

I reckon it's a guess no matter what you do.
And your personal priorities come into it no matter what.
So do you make the decision with greater importance on what benefits her as individual or what benefits wider population.

The CMOs are unbiased but they are thinking about population management, not individuals.

Are 'they' saying that single-vaccinated kids won't have to isolate is close contact of a +fellow pupil? I honestly don't know rules right now. So that could mean less disruption to her own education.

One good thing is she's female. The myocarditis thing is strongly a risk to males not females. Still very very rare in males, anyway.

Thank you. Yeah I feel like for myself I was happy to take the risk for the god of the wider community, but this is my child and I feel more selfish on her behalf if that's the right word. I want the benefits to be for her, not the rest of the population. But then the rest of the populations health is her future. Mind boggling

I've been thinking about this as well. My current list is:

Pros:

• As a female there is lower risk of the known/acknowledged issue of myocarditis.
• Less restrictions when it comes to travelling.
• Potentially less likely to need to isolate.
• Lots of children in the US have had the vaccine and no major side effects are CURRENTLY apparent.

Cons:

• Reported issues with periods in adults still haven't been fully investigated.
• If DD did get Covid it's highly unlikely to be serious.
• MNRA is newish vaccine technology and hasn't been tested on children to the extent of other types of vaccines.

Things to look into:

• SOME scientists think that infection POTENTIALLY gives longer immunity and better protection against future variants than the vaccine does.
• The study into long Covid in children showed it does happen but is rarer than previously thought.

I think it's the period one that's swaying me against it the most. It's unlikely to be impacting long term fertility but there is always that what if, especially as 12-16 is prime puberty age and it hasn't been fully looked into.

I asked similar on covid area about my son
.. In case any useful info for you...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4348934-Covid-vaccine-for-a-12-year-old-boy-with-no-underlying-conditions

I am just debating this to. I have A12 year old ds and 13 year old dd.

I am really conflicted about it. Why is only one dose recommended? Does this mean that the kids immunity will wane to virtually unvaccinated level in a matter of months without a second dose?

I am concerned about the myocarditis link also. I just wish we could be presented with the facts and real reason for the need to vaccinate this age group. Trouble is no one can tell us the answers we need, I was happy to take the risk being vaccinated but cannot decide for my DC which, ultimately means it will likely be a no. All medical procedures should have the risk and benefits clearly explained before consent. This is no different.

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer with this tbh. The 'for v against' argument is so finely balanced with 12 - 16 year olds, I think that's why the JCVI took so long to make a decision.

I'm so glad others feel the same way I do. I'm very much of the do as I'm told mind set when it comes to things like this usually as I feel that the nhs knows better than I do what's best for me. But this is my child, I'm struggling to get any proper info and when I think I have I find something that contradicts it. As pp said, this is prime age for pubescent changes, who knows what effect it could have, with their being links to period changes in women.
We just don't know. And that's the problem. And the kids are usually fine, my daughter had Covid and was poorly but no more so than other viral infections she's had

We've just had the consent forms through today to fill in, and we have to have them in by weds. This is the first time we've received any leaflets with side effects etc

I want to wait a year or so - my son is 12

We have decided to wait for the time being at least

I read the JCVI findings and some info from the NHS and the Irish equivalent about child vaccines. We went for it yesterday.

We are still trying to make our minds up. Dc are 13 and 16. The school have sent an email saying the vaccines are going to be on Monday and we have until Thursday to give our consent.

Hi. I can recommend an Instagram account epidummyology. It is a brilliant summary of the latest science behind everything Covid. There's been some recent posts about the evidence behind vaccinating teenagers and the risk of myocarditis. I can't recommend it enough.

I think the pros and cons for healthy teens are pretty evenly balanced tbh. It is hard to find evidence one way or the other because it's so hard to call.

My teen boys have had one dose because of a vulnerable family member. The risk of catching covid in school and bringing it home was a big worry for them so reducing that risk swung the balance.

I'm not keen for them to have a 2nd because of the risk of myocarditis. I know it's a very small risk but on balance that's not worth it for us.

Given that this is still being debated and disputed by the experts at the very top, what hope have ley people of giving informed consent? JCVI recommended against, CMO for, FDA advisory committee 12/2 against boosters, Fauci for etc. In truth, the virus and vaccine rollout have happened so quickly, no one has adequate data to assess anything 🤷. Just a perspective.

Except JCVI didn't simply recommend against. It's about the balance of benefits vs risk rather than just saying they recommend teens don't have it.

I haven't allowed my eldest son to have it nor will I (I also won't have the vaccine), I also won't allow my younger son to have it when they start pushing the narrative that under 5' need it.

The potential risks of this 'vaccine' outweigh any possible pro for it in my opinion. My kids have no underlying health conditions but this 'vaccine' can and does cause heart issues amongst other issues that was never there before.

Also I see very little point in the 'vaccine' when you can still catch and spread Covid and it 'might' just stop you getting harsher symptoms (a might not a given)

It's a new 'vaccine' and me and my kids will not be a guinea pig for it. In my opinion it's another form of control, "you can't do XYZ if your not vaccinated" yet the people who are vaccinated and who can (and do) spread covid can do whatever they want.. whilst spreading the illness everywhere and anywhere they go.

Good luck with that approach

My DS is getting his vaccine today. I'm so bloody relieved, tbh. I understand the concerns but: my son did get covid first time around, he was perfectly healthy, as we all are, he barely had a cold in his life, but he since developed two lifelong and life changing conditions as a result of the virus. The irony being that they now make him high risk, and we know many, many people going on to get it for a second time.

The problem with this virus is that you just don't know what it might do: it's not predictable, it doesn't behave like any other virus we know, and it can impact people who appear perfectly healthy. So, most kids will be fine. But others, with no underlying health conditions and no markers, like my beautiful DS, will not be. Personally, I'd do anything to not have my son deal with the shitty shitty conditions he will now have for the rest of his life. You're fine until you're not, and when you're not it's devastating.

eyes like butterflies I am so sorry to hear about your son. How is he now? My son was left with Sydenham's chorea after a throat infection so I know how hard this is, as, this is something that can affect the heart muscle I was wary of him having the covid vaccine but we did and I am glad we did. Wishing the best for you and your ds.