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Teen's bedroom is like an episode of Hoarders

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ScottChegg · 11/08/2021 16:16

No exaggeration. And I am at my wits end to know what to do with her. This has been going on for easily eighteen months or more now.

She is 15, nearly 16. She has always been messy and even as a younger child it took a LOT of pressure to make her tidy it up but now it's at another level and I've just had it but also at a loss to know what to do about it.

If we even MENTION it in any way, she kicks off, screams and shouts about her mental health, says that's the reason she hasn't done it and that we don't care about it. I'm bloody sure her hovel of a bedroom is not helping her mental or physical health in any way but that's beside the point. She then either stomps up to her room or this time she has gone across the road to a friend's house. I feel that this girl's mother doesn't particularly help the situation. DD has run off there before after an argument; she slipped out of the house without telling anyone at gone midnight one night and went there. We had a feeling that's where she had gone, so my DH went across and knocked on the door. They were hiding in the kitchen because he could see them peeping out through the blind. This was the mother, I mean, so that was spectacularly unhelpful of her. It was only when I messaged dd that I was calling the police because we didn't know where she was that the mother let us know she was there.

The thing is, last year she attempted suicide. She won't tell me why, although I am almost certain there was a specific trigger. She has had a lot of problems at school over the last couple of years as well, with people falling out with her and it's got rather nasty, with former friends ganging up on her and people sending her vile messages on social media and by text, ending with her refusing to go to school this summer. She initially went back on a reduced timetable and then was to go in full time. She went back one day and the next day was sent home because someone in her year had covid. That was the end of the school year, so I have no idea if this is going to continue into next term or not.

So yes, there are issues. I have done everything I can to support her, I really have. And yet, every time this comes up, she starts on about how we haven't done anything to help her and we don't care. I could just cry. She doesn't like talking to people so wasn't interested in cbt via zoom, which was about all that was available last year. (CAHMS closed her case pretty quickly after her suicide attempt.) I think she imagines there's more help out there than there actually is and I'm just not bothering to try to access it. Sad The truth is, nobody seems terribly interested unless there's an actual crisis. Which sucks.

So the problem is twofold really. One, the state of her bedroom. And two, the fact that she (and I don't know if this is exactly the right way to phrase it) uses her issues to evade the subject because every time it's brought up she just shuts the conversation down in this way. She won't willingly let any of us in there (not that we'd go in by choice) and won't let me help her do it.

I have no idea where to go from here. Please, any advice? And please be kind, I'm feeling pretty fragile myself. Sad

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MaMelon · 11/08/2021 16:22

Honestly? Let it go. I realised a few years ago that nothing would change my DD so as long as she keeps the shared spaces tidy(ish - it’s still a bit of a battle from time to time) then she can live in her own mess. It upsets me greatly to see it, but she’s doing well after some MH issues as a teenager (she’s 22 now and just got her first graduate job) so I turn a blind eye and bite my tongue. Not easy though - I sympathise.

Michaelknightsleatherjacket · 11/08/2021 16:29

The advice is always to let it go but honestly I’d love to know how that works.
Not everyone owns their home? For people who live in rented accommodation it simply isn’t viable to allow a teen to ruin someone else’s property?
What about when they’re eating upstairs and leaving food around and you worry about the possibility of vermin. What about when nobody can find a single mug to drink out of? What about when all their expensive clothes end up ruined because they’re left on floors?
Just how exactly do you let it go? I don’t get it.
Your situation sounds really hard op Flowers

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 11/08/2021 16:31

I let it go, when it bothers me I tell ds that I will be clearing up and to move anything private. There can't be a room in my house that never gets dusted or hoovered that's disgusting. If he wants to do that in his own house he can but not mine. Funnily enough his uni room is immaculate Grin I've given up getting him to do it though.

Somuddled · 11/08/2021 16:40

This was me at 15. My room was a state and it was what my parents focused on and constantly nagged me for. I was being abused and my mental health was in a state and it infuriated me that they missed it because they were so focused on the mess. Let the mess go and spend time with your daughter trying to build up her mental health again.

MaMelon · 11/08/2021 17:00

@Michaelknightsleatherjacket

The advice is always to let it go but honestly I’d love to know how that works. Not everyone owns their home? For people who live in rented accommodation it simply isn’t viable to allow a teen to ruin someone else’s property? What about when they’re eating upstairs and leaving food around and you worry about the possibility of vermin. What about when nobody can find a single mug to drink out of? What about when all their expensive clothes end up ruined because they’re left on floors? Just how exactly do you let it go? I don’t get it. Your situation sounds really hard op Flowers
If the mess starts ruining the property then that’s a different situation/conversation and it may be that birthday and Christmas money goes to pay for the damages - but most messes are just messes.

Their expensive clothes get damaged? Then they don’t get given them in the first place snd they don’t get replaced.

Food attracting vermin? I’ve never got to the vermin stage but DD is told to bring down dishes - and if she didn’t there were consequences.

Michaelknightsleatherjacket · 11/08/2021 17:01

It’s tricky though. A messy room is so much more than just the mess. It’s a bit of a self perpetuating cycle , because teens that live in rooms that are so messy are far less likely to socialise in their own space . They’re less likely to do a workout /yoga (most have been isolating a LOT of late) similar in their room because they have no floor space. The room becomes so much of a battle ground that nobody will enter, meaning they spend more and more time totally isolated and playing on phones etc, exposed to negative influences. Getting ready on a morning is a nightmare as they can’t find stuff. Their marks at school slip as they routinely lose homework/ books etc. I understand there are bigger issues, but it’s really worrying for a parent.

MaMelon · 11/08/2021 17:05

@Michaelknightsleatherjacket

It’s tricky though. A messy room is so much more than just the mess. It’s a bit of a self perpetuating cycle , because teens that live in rooms that are so messy are far less likely to socialise in their own space . They’re less likely to do a workout /yoga (most have been isolating a LOT of late) similar in their room because they have no floor space. The room becomes so much of a battle ground that nobody will enter, meaning they spend more and more time totally isolated and playing on phones etc, exposed to negative influences. Getting ready on a morning is a nightmare as they can’t find stuff. Their marks at school slip as they routinely lose homework/ books etc. I understand there are bigger issues, but it’s really worrying for a parent.
In some cases - but certainly not all. That would be far more likely to be the result of MH issues rather than a messy room.

If it’s any consolation my BF at high school was disgustingly messy as a teenager. She’s now married, 2 DC, immaculate house, went to university, is incredibly bright and heads up a big team in one of the multinationals. Everyone is different - a messy room as a teenager doesn’t equal disaster.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 11/08/2021 17:05

Sorry if this is a stupid question but have you tried asking if something is the matter? Has something happened? She might not have the words to express what is going on inside her head so maybe give her the option to say something is wrong but I cant/wont talk about it. Try talking in the car when its less confrontational. Let her think before she answers.

How does she sleep? Does she feel refreshed when she wakes up? Can she drop off within 15 minutes or do thoughts play across her mind for hours.

Bedroom: if she is actually hoarding then its a form of ocd. And gutting her room wont help unless the issues she has are also addressed.

MadameTuffington · 11/08/2021 17:20

@ScottChegg oh I know this one only too well - all 3 of my teens have all had big issues - oldest 2 now civilised but the youngest DD14 lives in complete shite - I stress for the same reasons you do - she suffers with anxiety, intermittent rages, school refusal (this last year) and although very bright her organisation has gone completely tits-up of late - Even the sight of her room stresses me out and makes me feel really low - I don’t think the teen brain processes the mess like we do but she has a habit of stropping if she loses things - I am a bit pathetic and will go into the room when she’s in the living room or with friends and do a quick lift of dirty clothes, underwear, cups, used makeup pads etc and I also try to organise bits and pieces - her reaction is bizarre - she either screams at me to get out or thanks me but I am willing to take the shit to clean up the shit - if I didn’t, she would not and the room would be truly gross - as time goes on and her mh is more stable I will expect and encourage her to do more - this may or may not work for you.

Teenage girls are a parenting experience I will be glad to see the back of. Mine is going to her first teen party tonight - She is my third teen, I know what’s coming and it’s just tedious now …

Good luck OP :)

VioletCharlotte · 11/08/2021 17:23

My eldest son's room was always like a bomb site. It drove me nuts but I just decided in the end it wasn't worth arguing over. Parenting teens is so tough, you have to really pick your battles. My feeling is a messy bedroom isn't a hill worth dying over.

Comedycook · 11/08/2021 17:25

As long as there's no rotting food or actual garbage, I think the state of the room is the least of your problems

ScottChegg · 11/08/2021 17:50

She is my last teenager and I can't lie, I won't be sorry when I don't have to do this anymore.

In a strange way it makes me feel a bit better that others are going/have gone through this - sorry! I wouldn't actively wish it on anyone - because I feel so ashamed that I just haven't been able to get this situation under control, it's like a dirty secret. Literally.

I am reading your replies and considering what you're saying.

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ScottChegg · 11/08/2021 17:52

@StrictlyAFemaleFemale

Sorry if this is a stupid question but have you tried asking if something is the matter? Has something happened? She might not have the words to express what is going on inside her head so maybe give her the option to say something is wrong but I cant/wont talk about it. Try talking in the car when its less confrontational. Let her think before she answers.

How does she sleep? Does she feel refreshed when she wakes up? Can she drop off within 15 minutes or do thoughts play across her mind for hours.

Bedroom: if she is actually hoarding then its a form of ocd. And gutting her room wont help unless the issues she has are also addressed.

I have. She won't tell me anything.

She doesn't sleep well, but then I don't see how she can possibly with the amount of stuff on her bed.

I don't think it's actual hoarding, I think it's a total lack of motivation and the fact that it's just become normal to her.

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AnimalsInForests · 11/08/2021 17:54

I dont know if this would work with your teen but i would advise offering to clean it up together - i know you said she wont let you but could you explain that you dont mind and you wont judge her? like a full on clean and make it perfect , doing this could greatly improve her mental health as her environment around her would be cleaner and better. and from then on you can give her a bin in her own room and say bring it out at the end of every week? try getting a laundry basket too so she can put any dirty clothes in there. i wouldnt suggest banning food in her room as this could just lead to more problems. but could you try eating as a family? it doesnt have to be every night but do you think it might help bring you closer or maybe go out together sometimes and she might open up about a few things. if all else fails just let her know you are there if she needs to talk.

ScottChegg · 11/08/2021 18:13

I think she would rather die than have me help her.

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 11/08/2021 18:17

What about if you tell her it HAS to be cleaned and she gets to chose how that happens so either she does it, you help her or you do it yourself?

Haveyoubrushedyourteeth · 11/08/2021 18:28

If I'm reading this correctly OP I had this a few years ago with my eldest. It wasn't just mess you could "let go" it was just awful. There was no floor, the bed was hidden under stuff (how she slept I don't know) just asking her for washing caused a meltdown, and you couldn't go in there, she guarded it almost 24/7, and to be honest it stunk.

First thing to say is that I never got to the bottom of what the issue was, and she doesn't know either, but she's now a totally different young lady. So hang in there and see if she's open to speaking with your GP. It's a mental health issue -nobody would choose to live that way if there wasn't something really wrong.

My way of dealing with it might not have been the right one, but dd and still have a close relationship, so I'm assuming I got something right somewhere!

First off I stopped nagging and realised that she couldn't deal with the mess herself as she was overwhelmed. I used to give her a bin bag each week before collection day and get her to fill it. No mention of the whole room needing doing, just a "can I have your rubbish". Then once she was back at school and I could get in I went and gutted it. Anything I wasn't sure about keeping I put in plastic boxes then literally kept filling rubbish bags. I couldn't believe the state (think old orange juice cartons under the bed and smashed mirrors on the floor) but I didn't mention what Id found to her when she came home, I just left her to discover that her room was done.

Throwing stuff away that we'd bought her, but she hadn't looked after, was annoying as hell, but I didn't show it and I didn't judge. I then started doing a thrice weekly "I need washing/washing up/rubbish bringing down" like I would have done with a much younger child. That way when it was slipping it was nowhere near as much of a job to get on top of it.

EadnothTheStaller · 11/08/2021 20:53

Let the mess go and spend time with your daughter trying to build up her mental health again.

I used to give her a bin bag each week before collection day and get her to fill it. No mention of the whole room needing doing, just a "can I have your rubbish".

I've decided to go with the first of these suggestions and very gently try to move onto the second at some point. Thanks all for the advice, I appreciate it very much.

ScottChegg · 11/08/2021 21:10

Oops, ncf there, nm.

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lljkk · 11/08/2021 23:26

I'm imagining sneaking in to clear out a lot of stuff when she's out of house, back in face-to-face lessons (will she be?)

OP hasn't really described what the room is like. My husband can claim there's a "huge mess!" when there are 6 crumbs on counter I can barely see. My old housemate once had a tirade about getting some ink cleaned out of carpet; the carpet guy came and couldn't see the ink.

I'm just saying that one person's "huge mess!" is another person's "nothing at all." I need OP to describe what the room is like.

Staywithmemyblood · 12/08/2021 17:13

Oh @ScottChegg that really does sound difficult 💐

You are doing your very best so hang in there, keep calm and keep communicating. It’s so hard as a parent when you know you’re doing everything you can to support them and they just aren’t able to see it at the moment.

My DD(16) was very ‘challenging’ at 14 and 15. She struggled really badly with anxiety (still does, but to a lesser extent now) and low mood. Her room was always a tip. Last summer I helped her with a makeover for her room and this has been so good for her mental health. At first she was finding it really difficult to make decisions about what she wanted (anxious about making the ‘wrong’ choice) so I suggested she go very plain and add/accessorise over time. Her room is now very minimal and very white, with nice textures (smooth, bamboo sheets, soft fleecy blankets and faux fur rugs) and she uses coloured led lighting depending on her mood. She also has a diffuser and scented candles. She has just enough space for a yoga mat too and she has also started practicing mindful meditation. Her room has become a tranquil haven for her and she feels so much calmer (and is far easier to live with 😊)

Do you think your DD would be interested in decluttering as part of a makeover? If she’s reluctant to accept your help she could probably still manage it by herself if she wanted to. It would give her a wee project to focus on and potentially reap long-term benefits 😊

omgthepain · 12/08/2021 17:33

My neighbours daughter was like this so she waited for her to go to school and I went round and helped amd we gutted it even ripping up the minging carpet and putting laminate down

There was enough cups, plates and bowls for a
Family of 5 how or why my neighbour allowed this to get so bad
God only knows -
Nobody eats upstairs in my house only water but it was much better afterwards and she kept it nice I think she was relieved and she finally wanted to invite her friends round

KohlaParasanda · 12/08/2021 18:18

Who'd be a teenager?

My children were all tidy even as teenagers apart from one, whose bedroom was like a landfill site from the time she was old enough to be expected to keep it tidy herself. From time to time I'd go in and sort it all out and she'd be appreciative, but within days it would be in a mess again. She didn't eat in her room so dishes and cutlery and rotting food weren't an issue, but on one occasion the cats took to peeing on some clothes she'd left in a heap.

She's now an adult, living independently, and doing well in her career. She has a partner whose clutter comfort level is similar to her own. Most people would consider their house to be a mess but they're completely "take us as you find us" about it and I don't mind clearing a space to sit down when I visit because her living space is no longer my responsibility.

Staywithmemyblood · 13/08/2021 12:31

Hey @ScottChegg - how are things today?

I mentioned your DD’s situation to my DD as she’s been through similar (although she never attempted suicide) and she says it sounds like your DD’s bedroom has become her ‘depression room’ (I’d never heard of it, but google it - it is a thing), where the mess is mirroring her state of mind and she almost feels like she doesn’t ‘deserve’ to have a nice, clean space. This could also help explain why she’s getting so angry and pushing away your offers to help. Maybe not, but it’s worth considering, so go gently and keep trying to get her to open up to you. Best wishes 💐

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 13/08/2021 12:36

My son was the same at her age, he had MH problems from school which he hated.
It was a battle I did not fight, my only rule was that his door stayed shut and it didn't spread to the rest of the house.
He was responsible for sheets, his own clothing and anything in the room.
Now in his late 30's he is very tidy in his own flat.
Don't sweat over stuff that doesn't really matter. Don't tidy up after her either.