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Son 14 problems at school

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Ant330 · 16/09/2020 13:32

Today was just another in a long line of issues since he started secondary school. It seems that if he takes a dislike to a teacher, and there's one every year, then all rational thinking flies out the window. He becomes deliberately awkward and at times just downright rude and disrespectful.

Covid came at the perfect time for him, because he wasn't far from a managed move to a different school earlier this year. We hoped for a better start as he was saying all the right things, and last week was reasonably positive but it's gone downhill in the last two days.

His head of house, who I speak to far more than I would prefer, has told me he's not a bad kid but he turns minor infractions into a much bigger deal by questioning decisions he doesn't like and then arguing. He describes my son as going into self destruct mode.

Today for instance he decided to sit in a different seat, he knows he shouldn't as he's already been reprimanded for it last week, he's clearly just being bloody awkward. None of the things he does to begin with are particularly bad but he just makes the situation so much worse by not shutting up and doing as he's told. Yesterday he kicked up a stink during an assembly type session because he was asked to sit in the front row when he wanted to sit at the back with his mates. Apparently he didn't like "being singled out" but it took me ages to make him realise that he'd drawn far more attention to himself by reacting badly. I'm struggling to understand what goes through his head, he knows if he continues down ths path then he will be moved away from the school which he admits he doesn't want. But in the spur of the moment that rational thinking disappears.

The daft thing is he's a pretty good kid at home, yes we have the odd problem but what parent doesn't. His mum and I are divorced (and yes we wondered if this was a factor but the problems started prior to this) but we still get on fine, try to make joint decisions and be as consistent across both households as possible. We have both held our hands up and said we were probably too lenient with him in our first year after seperating, attempting to make sure he wasn't damaged by the split and not wanting to be seen as the bad guy. I know she occasionally has issues with him being disrespectful but has become less lenient recently and this is improving. He has a good social life, goes to the gym, plays football, has parents who bend over backwards for him (this may well be changing) and wants for nothing in life. Maybe he has it too easy?

Anyway, we've tried the usual home punishments in the past - grounding, phone and games console being removed etc - these tend to work short term then he forgets and we have to start again. This year we thought we'd try the carrot approach with monthly rewards for good behaviour based on how many stars or strikes he receives. These rewards are not insignificant in value and we hoped would be an incentive/reminder to stop him when he's about to say or do something he shouldn't. That clearly isn't working so will be stopped, although he wouldn't be getting anything this month anyway!

We are running out of ideas to be honest and not sure what to try next. When we sit down and talk to him, he agrees that he shouldn't behave in this fashion and that he wouldn't do it again should the situation be repeated. But then in the heat of the moment he does exactly the opposite.

This morning his HoH rang me to ask me to speak with him as he just wasn't listening, trouble is in that kind of mood even I struggle to talk any sense into him. He just keeps repeating that he "doesn't like his form tutor and he's wierd". He seems to understand the logic that he won't like every teacher nor every decision, but that is irrelevant when it comes to the minimum standards of behaviour and respect expected from him.

Trying to explain to a 14 year old that if they don't get this behaviour under control then irrespective of how well he does at school he'll never be able to hold a job down is impossible because it's so far away (in his mind) it doesn't seem important.

Sorry it's an essay and I wouldn't normally post about this kind of thing, but I am at a loss as to what do next so hoping somebody who's been through similar can offer some words of wisdom or even tell me why we're doing a shit job as parents because that's what it feels like atm even though we're trying our best.

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fizzysister · 16/09/2020 14:14

I'm sorry you're going through this with your son. As a former secondary teacher this behaviour is familiar and I sympathise. Teenagers can be like something from another planet!

You know your son best. If you feel like this is an inconsistent boundary-consequence issue then maybe be more vigilant with relaxing the consequences? Eg as soon as he backslides reinstate the consequences and don't relinquish until hes shown a better attitude for a longer period.

If you think there's something he's not speaking to you about that's affecting his behaviour in school then maybe suggest counselling? Does the school have access to anything like this?

That said though, I put these kinds of issues down to a sense of entitlement in the young person. Maybe the year after the separation has left him with a slightly inflated view of himself? If this might be the case I'd be tackling it with perhaps a harder line and more consistent boundaries as above, while also encouraging him to talk about how this makes him feel and challenging any skewed thinking.

Good luck!

Ant330 · 16/09/2020 14:57

Oh he definitely has an inflated view of himself, very confident lad which has its pros and cons.
His mum and I could understand if the year of leniency had caused issues at home, but in the main it hasn't we've just had to tow a tougher line since so he knows where we draw the line. Pretty much all of the issues are at school and started long before the seperation.
We've tried stricter and longer term consequences and those are still in place and brought into immediate affect when he slips backwards. They just always seem to act as a short term sticking plaster, so we thought a carrot to go with the stick might help but clearly not.

He had a handful of counselling sessions around 18 months ago as he was struggling to control his emotions and flying off the handle at school and with his mum. He insists it didn't work and that he changed on his own Grin and stubbornly refuses when either of us suggest it now. Maybe it's time to insist because he's not very good at opening up if anything is bothering him, he's a lot like me and keeps things to himself. The counsellor didn't really pinpoint any particular issues at the time, but did provide him with some techniques to use (which he says he didn't) so perhaps it's time to tackle this again.
Unfortunately I recognise some of his traits (my dad happily told me it's karma) so the apple hasn't fallen far, and whilst I've turned out just fine I worry if he gets kicked out of school then he won't. I know he understands this, christ we've talked about it enough, but in the heat of the moment he just behaves like a completely different kid.

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TigerQuoll · 18/09/2020 04:13

What about encouraging him to get a job. If he displays this behaviour when working he will get fired and it might be a wake up call about how to behave more like an adult. It is easier to understand a lesson when it happens to you and it is coming from an external source rather than parent or teacher. However long he holds his first job down he will get some spending money that has no strings attached, and that would be more of a motivation than rewards handed out by a parent - earned money feels adult and meaningful, rewards handed out by a parent feel juvenile and meaningless

Rosebud2005 · 18/09/2020 07:56

Not to cover up bad behaviour but is it possible he could have adhd or Aspergers? Some things you mention sound mist like some kids I know who show ‘awkward’ behaviour seem like they just up a barrier when you try explaining to them. Just something you could get checked out?

Ant330 · 18/09/2020 11:59

Thanks for the replies, we did consider ADHD but the counsellor he had for 4 or 5 sessions didn't think so and I'd hope she'd have said something if she thought Aspergers.
I am looking into getting him a part-time job, initially I was planning on waiting till he turned 15 but I'm of the same opinion that earning his own money will be very good for him if only to realise it doesn't grow on trees, and I've explained till I'm blue in the face that if he does this with an employer be won't get strikes or 2nd chances he'll just get sacked. He also needs to experience not liking every person or boss that he works with and dealing with that in the right manner.
Anyway, we had a very positive chat with him on Weds, I just said rather than us keep telling him what to do, the decision was up to him. What's more important, a few seconds of bravado being awkward rude, disrespectful, or staying at the same school, because the two things aren't compatible. I'm hoping by making the decision himself it will have more effect, he had a good day yesterday so fingers crossed it continues.
We expect some blips along the way but I'm just keen not to let him slide backwards. I think he understands that his life will be so much easier if he stops overreacting and letting his emotions get the better of him. We're not expecting him to be perfect, we know (for now) that he'll still get strikes for mucking about and talking in class, he just needs to stop hitting the self destruct button when that happens.

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