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Posting on behalf of my Mum, I am scared of and for my sister.

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Claeseen · 01/12/2019 12:45

We live in the UK, I'm 25, my 'little' sister (LS) that this post is about is almost 15 and 5'8, my younger brother (YB) is 13 and my youngest sister (YS) is 12. All three have the same Dad, my Step-Dad who divorced our Mum about 9 years ago.

When LS was about 10, she was diagnosed as having autism after years of campaigning by our Mum.

When she was younger her behaviour wasn't as excessive, she would pour drinks on our heads, push us, hit us, break our and her things, but Mum and my Step-Dad could handle her, she'd get things taken off her, grounded, but she never seemed to care.
Fast forward to when she was about 12 and her behaviour is escalating.
She's left many scars on our LB, she hits our YS for looking at her... But she's perfect at school. At home someone touches her coat so she has a melt down and tries to strangle my dog, but when other people are around she can control it, which is what I'm unsure about.
She ends up living with her Dad, but still comes to the house and terrorises us "it smells like wee in here" because we have pets, saying YS stinks, starts trashing the house, me and Mum get all the pets on the other two and lock ourselves on the conservatory so she can't hurt us, house get trashed, things we've made or expensive things we care about are trashed, she deliberately goes for these things.
She finally leaves, she walks off all the time and you can't restrain her. When she was younger she would run off whenever she was upset regardless of where we were and police had been called to make sure she was safe.
She has a fall out with Dad and runs away from his house and wants to come to Mum's, we say no as LB is terrified of her and is having a negative effect on his mental health.
She smashes the window on our front door and runs off.

Last year Step Dad gets in a bad road accident, luckily survived, but is now paralysed from his chest down, luckily he has use of his arms and hands and can breathe by himself, but still very sick and a lot of healing to do.
While he was in hospital LS lived with his parents and after a few months her behaviour picked up for them.
Now.
She's back living with Dad, but he has carers, so any conflict or violence in the house and he will lose his carers, which he needs to get out of bed, to change his catheter, to set his machines and to move him so help his pressure sores.
She's not been to school for over 20 days so we have the threat of court proceedings, a lot of social workers and attendance officers coming over, but she barricades herself in her room so they can't see/speak to her.
Mum went over about two weeks ago to try and speak to her to get her to go to school and LS pulls a knife on Mum.
Mum just leaves and let's LS calm down.

Last night LS decided she was too hot, despite wearing a dressing gown and being under blankets, so asks for central heating to be turned down, Step Dad is cold and needs the heat and so she is told no.
She goes upstairs and starts slamming and hitting the doors, trying to break the walls, etc.
So Step Dad phones his Dad, and LS pulls a knife on him then starts smashing up her room... While the other two were there spending the night.
Police are phoned and after about an hour they haven't shown up and she manages to run off.
Police are phoned again to say she's run off and they get to the house straight away, after about half an hour she's found and they follow her as she walks back onto the house, the second the police leave she runs off again, so police try to get her back into the house and she's completely ignoring them.
When she does go back into the house she barricades herself in her room and starts smashing more things.
After speaking to the door for a while police barge door down and she's very aggressive to the police to the point they have to phone their Sargent.
So she goes downstairs and starts threatening to turn of Step Dad's machines, threatening the other two, laughing at everything.
Step Dad doesn't feel safe and has asked her to not stay at his house, she refuses to go to Mum's or Grandparents, but social services can't be contacted until Monday.
The Sargent tries with her for about half an hour to talk to LS, but LS is being awful.
Unfortunately another incident comes in and as she's now in the house, they leave her.

Cahms won't work with her and have removed her from their books.
Team around the family want to help, but she won't accept it.
Social Services are now involved, but I'm scared if she's taken somewhere else she could seriously injure someone.
Mum is concerned LS, as well as having autistic traits and OCD, could be a socio/psychopath.

What can we do?
Mum is completely devastated, she's done everything she can and doesn't want to give her over to social services, but we're out of options.

There are no child mental health wards, police won't detain a 14 year old with mental health problems, she can't stay with her Dad anymore.

What on earth can we or anyone do?

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itsgettingweird · 01/12/2019 16:04

It sounds unkind but next time she's violent or damaging property - when the police turn up tell them you want her arrested and to press charges. They'll have to take her and then refuse to collect her from the police station. They cannot release a minor unless into adult care.

I know that sounds horrifically cruel but it's in everyone's best interests - including your sisters - for her to be placed elsewhere right now.

It's hard to tell if it's asd or something else. My ds has asd and has held knifes and smashed house before during a meltdown.

floq · 01/12/2019 18:46

Am so sorry your family is going through this. get her to Gp - referral again to CAMHs or SS, if indeed she has some mental health- its camhs. they can either offer medication or some sort of therapy. however if they think its behaviour/anger issues not much they can offer in my experience with DD.
SS do home assessment. its costly to put a child in foster care-they have early intervention team,support worker etc, if all fails play the hardball like someone suggested
sounds like your she needs some sort of help. so sorry.

Claeseen · 02/12/2019 17:44

Update, my SD has lost his care team due to LS behaviour.
Police should have removed her and phoned duty and they refused to.

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itsgettingweird · 02/12/2019 18:01

Oh no I'm sorry to hear this. Does your SD have a social care team you can ring for support?

MixedPears · 07/12/2019 14:52

I’m with the others here. Play hardball. Refuse her entry into home. Social services will legally have to take over. Stay resolute in your dealings with them. Your poor DB. Residential care sounds the best solution as people have said. Let them sort that out.

Namenic · 07/12/2019 15:10

Is there anyone who might be able to help step dad in the mean time? His pressure sores need to be cared for and monitored very regularly as otherwise they might get deeper and harder to heal. If he can manage over weekend, call gp 1st thing on Monday and mention the issue about your LS - and the carers and how he would deteriorate if he is not getting the care he should have. Obviously off he becomes unwell seek medical attention sooner.

Oliversmumsarmy · 07/12/2019 15:40

Mum is more scared that other won't know what her triggers are and she'll be completely unmanageable and escalate her behaviour even faster

But even with you all knowing her triggers it doesn’t seem to be working if you have to barricade yourself into the conservatory to escape her violence and destruction.

I don’t know who to ask but SS don’t just close for the weekend.

What would happen if the next time she ran offyou changed the locks and refused to have her back in and if she breaks the glass trying to gain entry call the police and press charges. Or the next time she rampages around the house destroying stuff and threatening you then call the police.

Then don’t collect her from the police station and refuse to have her back as a pp said.
They will then have to find a way forward for her.

123bananas · 07/12/2019 15:55

You need to phone the emergency duty social worker for the adult team. Step dad is classed as vulnerable adult at risk of abuse and now neglect due to lack of carers. He can be taken to place of safety then she will be a minor without adult supervision and children's ss might work a bit faster to find somewhere for her if all other adults are refusing to have her. If she is a risk to herself or others she can be taken to a place of safety at A&E, assessed by psych/camhs and given medication if necessary (hospital security/police can restrain if nurses can't).

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