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I will have to ask my daughter to leave home when she is 18. Devastated.

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Tinachantel83 · 09/06/2019 00:46

This will be a long post. Though I have great friends, they wouldn't understand what I'm going through, so I'll spill here...

I have 2 daughters who are roughly a year apart. I had my first born at 16. Though I was young, I got my own flat and begun a career in business administration and children's rights training. I loved motherhood! Best of all, I had prospects. There was one problem: there was no career contingency plan for having to go into a womens refuge.

My children's father was extremely violent. He grew up in Britain his whole life without knowing he was illegal. He couldn't work - though he tried. I happened to be falling out of love with him and the combination made him take his frustration out on me. I supported us, a 17 year old, and he felt threatened by it. He tried to kill me the year Nicole Kidman won an Oscar. I thought the last words I would hear was "art is important". I gave up everything and fled. I managed to get rehomed by the time the kids were 4/5. I left when they were babies and we ALL enjoyed their childhood.

The price I had to pay was limited career options/limited money. Their father had found me by now and though he was (thankfully) in a new relationship, he seemed to delight in giving me no money and disrespecting me at every turn. I wonder if this impacted how they saw me. I couldn't shut him out due to my family background, I used manipulation to limit the damage but the kids got something out of it so I accepted it.
My elder daughter is the kind of child you would design. She's a little ditzy, makes jokes that don't land - likes musicals! But, she is simply a person to get along with. My second child is equally gifted but always needed more attention. I sometimes felt bad for my eldest but: different kids, different needs. My youngest had certain characteristics (poor, poor hygiene, no shame, bullying, buying friends) and I did all I could to combat it.
She's the kind of person who is smart in a way that's self injurious. She's cunning and the ultimate revisionist historian. She banged my head off a glass table whilst attempting to throw my phone out of the window - then filmed my reaction of pinning her down. She slammed a door into my face (I'd confiscated her laptop for 2 hours because she wouldn't let anyone in the bathroom for 3 hours and she'd been doing it for days). I repaint the kitchen, she puts graffiti on the wall. She even threw herself downstairs and said that I pushed her. She's done similar to her sister. She's a destructive force. This is just the last couple of months. We've been going through the worst of it for 5/6 years now.

She refuses counselling and manages to successfully portray. me as a mad woman. It's not hard. She knows my youthful look (not humble bragging - looking 25 with an 18 year old kid is actually hell) the associated prejudice works in her favour. I'm also extremely introverted so 'being heard' is a challenge.

She calls me names. Spills tea on the stairs and laughs if I ask her to clean it. I clean her bath daily, my partner does all her dishes. That's the least of it.

She's been given every lesson, since young and she won't comply. I lived a lifetime at 16: I have no family. I'd been as vulnerable as a person could be, and I survived, then thrived. But, she won't listen and I'm heartbroken.

She's an amazing child in many ways who listens to my lessons on how to conduct herself in the world, socially, but not at home. Or college, despite all the support.

She doesn't respect me. Maybe it's hard to have respect for some who doesn't look like a mother. Maybe I focused too much on laughter/experience and not enough on discipline. I gave up a lot for her and she wilfully pretends not to see it.

I can't be bullied or live in fear anymore. Not even for her. I will not have violence and disrespect be my normal; not after my formative years. My life is at stake. I always knew that if I let myself break I'd never come back. There would be too many reasons to stay broken. I'm now the closest I've ever been. Today, she attacked me and then called the police. They advised me to film all interactions so things don't get out of hand. Good advice.
She actually filmed me angrily say that if she ever did that again, she would end up in hospital - I could've been arrested. Not my proudest moment...

She will turn 18 in roughly two weeks... I can no longer live with a malevolent presence in my home that threatens both our safety. I'm beyond devastated. I have to accept she's not receptive to me. She doesn't respect me enough so I have to let her go, for now. I tried what I could, increased my window of tolerance, worked with other professionals. It took her years to stop resenting me because I wasn't rich. I shielded them too much in retrospect. There is so much more to it but I'm so all over the place... Has anyone else had to deal with this?

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GreenTulips · 09/06/2019 00:55

I have no idea what to say - but I’m sure the time apart and her having to grow up may be the making of you both

Has she ever been diagnosed with something?

How the other DD?

darjeelingisrank · 09/06/2019 00:56

I have to live like that with my son. I completely understand. It just destroys you. He is going to live with my sister at the end of the month because I am literally suicidal with him and his behaviour. You'll get roasted, but you can't actually force a teen or eve preteen to engage with therapy. Have you tried reading 'The Explosive Child' and 'Mercury's Child'? Flowers. I understand, you simply cannot go on like this.

Weenurse · 09/06/2019 00:56

No experience but, yes it is time for her to go.
You can’t live like this anymore 💐

Itwouldtakemuchmorethanthis · 09/06/2019 01:00

Where will she go?

Teddybear45 · 09/06/2019 01:01

Throw her out and change the locks. Don’t even give your younger dd a key in case the elder one bullies it off her. If she kicks up a fuss film it and contact the police every time.

Mummaofmytribe · 09/06/2019 01:15

You poor thing. Stop being so down on yourself for being a young mother. I was a teenage mother too. It doesn't automatically mean we failed our kids.
DD clearly has some very strong issues which are not of your making. You and your other DD have the right to safety in your own home. That's not asking for the moon.
She obviously has to leave. I would suggest you have another adult present when you tell her that.
You can tell her you love her but this is a direct consequence of what she's done to you. She has to learn that abuse won't be tolerated or she has no incentive to get help and stop.
Hopefully once you're no longer living together you can get some breathing space and recover a bit.
She may have to grow up very quickly which would be a good thing.
We all have a duty to do our best for our kids. You've done that but are being abused nonetheless. You don't have to live with an abusive adult, even if she is your daughter.
Get her out. Change the locks. Get counselling for yourself and other DD.

CheerfulYank · 09/06/2019 01:31

She's an adult. She will figure it out.

My older brother was an extremely difficult child and teenager. (he's now a difficult almost 40 year old, but hey ho.)

Eventually it was just too much. My parents said he had to go to school or get a job if he wanted to continue living at home. He wouldn't, so they made him leave.

Honestly, it really helped. There wasn't much else they could do. It relieved the pressure on all of us.

He's found his way somewhat...yes, he's still hard to get along with sometimes and he has a terrible track record with relationships, but he has a good job and a home. He can show up to family gatherings and be civil.

crimsonlake · 09/06/2019 01:39

Posted twice about this tonight ?

Coyoacan · 09/06/2019 02:22

Yeap, sad but true, it looks like you have to tell her to move out. I left home of my own accord at 17 and by that age you were already independent with huge responsabilities.

Beautiful3 · 09/06/2019 03:35

Yes tell her to move out. It's not healthy for both of you.

JeezOhGeeWhizz · 09/06/2019 04:29

Yep kick her out.
Never take her back.

fedup21 · 09/06/2019 09:34

Though I was young, I got my own flat and begun a career in business administration and children's rights training.

I’m impressed with your career as a 16 year old, it’s unusual-who was it you were working for?

There seem to be a lot of issues here-what support have you sought with her? School, GP, social worker?

RubberTreePlant · 09/06/2019 09:46

He grew up in Britain his whole life without knowing he was illegal. He couldn't work - though he tried

Do you mean America?

It's not normally a problem for 'illegals' to get a NINO and work in the UK.

millymae · 09/06/2019 10:04

That’s a bit cynical fedup21.

I’m not naive and certainly question to myself things that people write which seem far fetched but I hate reading responses like yours that immediately jump in and infer the OP is somehow at fault.

I read that statement very differently to you - how about ....... I got an office job at 16 that enabled me to gain experience in an area that has allowed me to earn enough money to survive.

There may well be more to this story than meets the eye but what concerns me most is how you actually go about throwing an 18 year old out who is disruptive - it’s not just a case of simply opening the front door and saying ‘ out.’

Tinachantel83 · 09/06/2019 11:15

Hey... thank you for all the responses. Somehow I feel worse than did yesterday. My body feels like I've gone a few rounds and I'll have to cancel everything today because I'm not up to it. She's at her dads now and hopefully she can stay there - he never helps unless it's gone too far and it has... I don't think the arrangement will last but it's a quick fix.

Yeah, I started an apprenticeship at 16 and within a few months applied for a full time position and got it! I was then offered to do children's rights training by a company called CROA. A team of two young people and two social workers go around training various social services departments/foster carers on how to best impact LAC children through a series of group exercises. Very good work for my age and well paid. I only had an aftercare worker in the end. After I left care my kids were observed to be at no risk, which was true. Never got out of hand till the teenage years. I took to motherhood quite well.

I'm British and though he had a NINO he had no papers. I've never been able to get a job without my BC/passport. He couldn't hold on to one without those either. I think he does painter/decorater cash in hand stuff. I don't know. We're not close for obvious reasons.

I tried everything. Made appointments she refused to show up at, worked with her, bribed her, worked with the school... got other friends involved. Nothing works though I'm always open to suggestions.

My other daughter is actually older, 19, and in university. She is the light of my life and has the patience of a saint. I couldn't give her the attention she deserved but she understood. Since she's been away I try to keep her out of it. I want her to focus on her studies and exciting new life. She was quite glad to leave, because of her sister but was worried for us too...

I'm sorry for anyone going through this. I feel like such a failure. I just hope she will accept the lessons from somebody. She has to be able to take care of herself and I don't want to see her fail.

But, I really can't live with her. It's not safe for either of us at this point.

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Tinachantel83 · 09/06/2019 11:25

@GreenTulips I don't know either, it's tough. She's never been diagnosed with anything. An educational psychologist did an assessment and came up with nothing. She's been suspected of having adhd all through school. She lacks self awareness so these assessments never work on her. It's so frustrating.

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Tinachantel83 · 09/06/2019 11:32

@darjeelingisrank I'm so sorry. I know exactly how you feel. I'm very close to hurting myself... it's a miserable existence. My youngest doesn't realise that I'm a real human being with feelings. I'm not indestructible and she is breaking me. I cried for an hour straight saying the same two words: I can't. I hope your son being with his aunt will help you both recover xx

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Tinachantel83 · 09/06/2019 11:34

@CheerfulYank thank you, that gives me a little hope x

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Shotguncandy · 17/06/2019 23:51

Tinachantel83 I can totally relate to everything youve typed there! I only joined mumsnet this evening, desperately seeking advice for my similar situation - only my daughter in question is only 14. I hit rock bottom with her yesterday and ended up driving her to her estranged dad with her things. I feel wretched for resorting to doing this but, like you, my health is at risk.

The stress she's put me and her sister under these past years is relentless despite her having weekly counselling and ongoing support, interventions etc...the problem is is that she's incredibly manipulative to the point I even question my own sanity...she's convinced her social worker and therapists that she's this quiet, lost soul that's shy and introverted and that we all need to tread gently with her, plenty one to one mum time etc....IT MAKES SOD ALL DIFFERENCE the more I consistently do the more she drops bombshells. Vandalising her sisters property, cutting her her own clothes, keeping used sanitary wear in her room hidden in socks, wiping her snot everywhere, drawing on walls (carving words into furniture, stealing money from my purse, shop lifting, bulling, weekly school detentions....I have to lock my bedroom door, her sisters door, the living room door and now the kitchen door even when I'm home because the second my back is turned she robbing or damaging our stuff. It's rediculous. Yesturday I found a load of stolen goods under her bed and her sisters tablet, that's been missing for months, also she actually admitted to taking €50 from my handbag - that was last straw, I drove her to her dads yesterday and said she's to stay there for the rest of the summer hols now (till end Aug, she will be 15 in sept). I had a sudden cardiac arrest in 2017 followed by 2 functional strokes due to shock they said. I was in acute care in hospital for 7wks and she took full advantage by going through my room and lifting a rake of stuff......the stress I feel right now I honestly fear I'm going to end up back in hospital, sorry to take over your post but bottom line is I know how you feel x

ElectricLions · 18/06/2019 13:12

Whilst she is at her Dad's could you not change the locks and just refuse to have her back at your house?

She clearly has somewhere to go - her Dad's, so she can stay there. Could you or someone else take her stuff round to her Dad's house so she has no reason to need to come back to yours?

If she breaks back into your house I would have her removed by the police and back to her Dad's.

I don't know what difference it makes her turning 18 unless that is for the council to house her somewhere. You were more than capable at 16, she has her Dad to help her sort her housing out, why must it fall to you?

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