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Do girls mature out of toxic friendships?

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Crumbl · 19/05/2019 14:36

My dd is only 8 and I was going to post on the pre-teens board, but what I'd like to know from people with older girls / teens, is if the toxic friendships, drama, competition over friends and popularity, manipulation etc gets better as they get older? Do they mature out of all this?

Dd is continually falling out with a girl who was her "bff" as early as their first term in infants, so 4 years now. It was quite sweet at first, but really there has been nothing but stress and problems I'd say 60% of the time. The rest of the time they're either in the process of making up or are being bff's again, but I'm really losing my patience with the situation now it's been going on 4 years. Dd will not give her up, she's become part of her life for so long that she says she could never not be friends with her. I don't like how reliant she is on her friendship. The other girl can be quite crafty too, 3rd time it's happened now that as soon as my dd does start to get friendly with another girl in their class, her bff suddenly wants to be friends with that person and puts a stop to it. If I say dd can have a different friend round to play, the next week the bff does the same with that same person. It's just exhausting trying to help navigate this with dd and not getting through to her. She even heard the bff telling a girl who dd had got friendly with not to play with dd, she was begging her not to and saying dd had been horrible to her and she was scared she'd have nobody to play with at break and be all alone. Dd said she hadn't said or done anything but the bff then starts crying and telling a teacher my dd is being mean to her. It's just ridiculous really, every day there is a drama. On Friday the bff was in tears my dd had been invited to play at another girl's house, she got the girl to promise she'd invite her round next week. She keeps asking this girl to play with her just the two of them, and is gradually getting more and more friendly with her while excluding dd. My dd now says what's the point in making new friends as the bff will always just steal them. I think it's part jealous from the bff and part that she's v competitive, she has to be queen bee. This has been going on for 4 years now and I'm sick of it, I thought it would get better as they got older but it's got worse! Please tell me this does improve as they get older and mature out of it?!

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MummyBear2352 · 19/05/2019 16:59

Not in my experience 😒 started in year 3-4 escalated in 6 and 8/9, currently yr 13 and some girls are still at it big time, dragging others down with it all.

School says her year group is the worst they’ve seen if that’s any consolation.

Firefliess · 19/05/2019 19:26

Yes, but not till about age 16 though ime. So sadly you've a long road in front of you :(

YukoandHiro · 19/05/2019 19:29

Not until much older! I went to an all girls secondary school and I think it made the situation much worse.

GreenTulips · 19/05/2019 19:31

I wouldn’t lump all the girls together - and is stop using the term BF - makes them sound more special than they are -

Your daughter needs to stand up and not pushed around - let the other girl make friends and hopefully palm her off on someone else.

The 6 weeks holidays are coming up, time to drop the friend

bluebluezoo · 19/05/2019 19:36

Fucking hell I don’t see this behaviour at all.

I have two girls and neither are like this.

I’d be looking for a secondary far away from these kids and encourage your dd to find new friends. Same currently, if the drama starts tell her to walk away and find someone else who wants to play. Leave them to it. They can still be friends, but your dd needs to learn to put her “not bothered” face on when they try these inclusion/exclusion games. They need to think it has no power over her...

ifancyagreencard · 19/05/2019 19:43

Oh God DD is 19 and away at uni. She has described her first year as “Fucking Year 9 all over again, with alcohol and drugs”. The drama is her flat has been unreal.....

Staywithmemyblood · 20/05/2019 08:09

Sadly, there's years of drama ahead. However, if you and your DD understand what's behind it and DD can learn to deal with those toxic 'friends' hopefully it all won't be so upsetting.

My DD was involved with a lot of friendship issues with another girl from early primary school - very similar to what your DD is experiencing. Things didn't improve, and by age 10 DD's teacher stepped in to separate them as she could see DD was being bullied. Other girl (and her parents) refused to accept she was doing anything wrong! No chance girl was going to mend her ways when parents kept insisting she was an angel Hmm

Age 11-12 saw major drama as they were transitioning to high school. Loads of one-upmanship in order to try and gain social status. Some really nasty and vicious behaviour. DD was treated really badly by the 2 'popular' girls in her class. They kept falling out, then would compete for DD's attention and friendship. Then they'd make up again and be mean to DD. It was horrible and exhausting. DD became very anxious and quite depressed and I took her for counselling to build her resilience and self esteem as she'd been convinced they were her friends.

DD is now 14 and generally navigates her way well with all the teen drama going on. She isn't bothered about popularity and doesn't belong to a single group. She chooses her friends as individuals, so if she falls out with one she is not left isolated. She has learned to spot the toxic behaviour and stands up for herself. If I could give your DD one piece of advice it would be to stand up for herself. I used to encourage DD to ' be nice' but she got taken advantage of Sad

It was a big learning curve for us both. There's a couple of books I'd recommend to help navigate through these difficult years - Queen Bees and Wanabees (very popular), but also Why Good Kids Act Cruel: The Hidden Truth About The Pre-teen Years by Karl Pickhardt. Good luck!

Crumbl · 21/05/2019 14:21

Thanks for the replies and advice, guess I need to buckle up for it being a long journey then! I don't remember it being so bad when I was young, there were friends and bullies at school, now the friends seem to be a lot more like frenemies!

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Crumbl · 21/05/2019 14:23

Staywithme - thanks for the book recommendations x

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