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Teenager rude to partner

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becky1508wilson · 15/04/2019 00:03

Hi everyone

I have quite a complex situation, so will try to discuss without it being too long.

I have lived with my sister for 8 months. She is 8 years my junior and a young 20 year old. She is still transitioning into an adult and still on the long road to getting her act together and using her own initiative.

We are very close, and have a brilliant relationship between the two of us. I have played a huge "guardian/mother" type role for the past 8-10 years mostly. My parents sort of gave up on parenting so I provided the love, affection, support, encouragement, guidance and safe happy home where she will always be welcome.

As a result our sister relationship is blurred. We are trying to dissolve the mother-daughter relationship, she is trying to be more independent and reject my direction more. yet she needs to be told forcefully to do things or she will leave them - such as getting a second job, cleaning the flat, applying for student help she's entitlement to do, care for our cats, share the household work load etc.

My partner and I have been together 20 months. He is much older than me (50 years old). He has frequently been in her life for 8 months. The beginning was fine, she was polite, friendly, grateful and sweet.

My sister and I moved into a flat together (the first month was sharing my room rent) 7 months ago. Since this, she has been discourteous to him often. She has not politely and respectfully engaged in conversation attempts such as a cheerful hi how are you, has been responded with a disinterested hi. He has shared personal experiences some unfortunate and some fortunate and she has acted like she couldn't care less and wants him to know. She has not been polite, grateful and appreciative of the things he does ; cooks dinner, takes us out for dinner, moved house for us, brought our cats down for us, got us a hoover, TV, view box, weekly shopping with me. He has made effort with all her Christmas and birthday gifts where she has made 0. He has made attempts to guide and support her on her level - mostly she has engaged and opened up to him and sometimes not so much.

I feel its a battle between who is my priority, who has my most attention and both feeling second best.

Both relationships are very important for me. She is firstly my close family and someone I enjoy friendship and doing things with. He is my love who I want a life with. I couldn't do without either.

He picks up on every time she is discourteous and manners are of utmost importance to him. Such as him saying hello when she came home. She may or may not of heard. We all said Hi again, and she said "Hi, Oh your still here".

He informed her about an accident he had and showed his injury to her. Her response was something like "Oh"

This weekend she's been off, when he left I asked her generally if she's grumpy. She laughed and said she feels something is wrong but doesn't know what. I mentioned that she should try and hide her feeling off when we have guests. she shut me down, why should she, why should she change herself, he's not a guest is he.

I don't know how to approach this without demanding our relationship but she's been unnecessarily rude and it upsets him. He is worried that when we move in (saving for a house) that she will make him uncomfortable in his own home and that will not be pretty. I feel I want to shelter him from her and her from him.

What I don't want is when I move in, and have a family that she cannot come around and if she does the atmosphere being unbearable.

How can I approach this with her?

[ To add - He spends 2-3 nights a week in our flat, we try to spend time in my bedroom where possible to give her space. He is currently at his mums who is just as rude and discourteous as my sister and her home is in a disgusting state of disrepair. I hate going there, I occasionally suck it up if he needs me to.]

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Chocolate50 · 15/04/2019 10:28

Your DS is jealous of your relationship with him. I think you know this?
She's growing up & she's being unreasonable- frankly she wants you all to herself & she needs to grow up & start respecting you & your DP.
Talk to her about how it feels to be talked to the way she's talking to him maybe? Be honest & say that you want to be her sister & reassure her that you'll always be here for here.
If that fails you'll have to tell her that you don't want her talking to him that way & lay the law down
I mean he does not deserve it at all. If I were him I'd treat her the same way as she's treating me - he sounds like a very patient & good person - its not easy to deal with that. Maybe he should not make such an effort with her - that might change the dynamic & she'll think about her behaviour a bit more?

notapizzaeater · 15/04/2019 10:41

She's 20 ! She needs to grow up. It ain't hurt her to be polite.

becky1508wilson · 15/04/2019 12:52

@Chocolate50

You're quite right. I am aware but managing it is very difficult.She is very stubborn and I am frightened of putting my foot down

We had a big fall out several months ago (over something different but above story definitely helped fuel it), where I was very clear and had an outburst informing her how selfish and inconsiderate she is. She was hurt by my comments but never apologised and never made a further effort.

We made up, due to me. I told her my comments are true and that her behaviour upsets me but I don't want that to break our relationship.

I acknowledge her behaviour has not been helped by my treatment of her and I need to get this right for when I have my own children. I have created a monster by being too soft with her and loving her too much when she was younger.

It hurts me that the sister I love dearly is growing into an unpleasant person at times. I am also torn because a serious discussion will result in her dismissing me, not listening, and potentially us falling out.

I hope when I move into my partner and she has to stand on her own two feet that she begins to respect and consider others much more.

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Chocolate50 · 15/04/2019 13:00

She is young as you say, and she's on a steep learning curve, she's probably angry because your parents gave up on her, but there is no excuse for it at the end of the day - she'll only annoy people and push them away if she continues.

Like you say the lines have become blurred with your parents not being in the picture and you having taken over their role - it won't be the same when you are a parent, I don't think its been fair on you to have to take over the parenting role anyway to be honest, so don't be too hard on yourself. It may be that you are trying to shelter her from being hurt? like you've had to in the past, but you can't - it will happen I'm afraid, and she will have to learn how to protect herself in the end and how to avoid getting hurt in the first place. Unfortunately no one can do this for her, I do feel for her and you and can see how torn you are and how much you want to protect her, its complex I can understand that.

You have been a wonderful carer and now it might be time to re establish the boundaries and be her sister again.

HiItsClemFandango · 15/04/2019 13:33

She's either jealous or doesn't like him. If I was 20 I wouldn't want to spend half my week living with a 50 year old man. Maybe it's time for both of you to live separately?

converseandjeans · 15/04/2019 13:38

She is obviously jealous. However he doesn't sound like a great catch tbh. Why is he still living with his Mum in a messy house aged 50? Can he not get himself his own place?

crimsonlake · 15/04/2019 14:04

Yes I agree she probably resents him taking you away from her. Also I expect she resents him being in the flat so often, even though you say you try to give her space it sounds as though there are 3 people in this relationship. I can see both sides really and you need to gradually become her sister again and not her mum. Am I right you are thinking of taking her with you when you and your partner find somewhere together? Obviously that is not going to work for anyone is it? She needs her own place, possibly quite close by you and I am sure once she finds a partner for herself your relationship will be transformed.

barryfromclareisfit · 15/04/2019 14:21

He is too old for you and far too old to have access to her. He must feel like a sultan with a harem. Stop his overnights right away. You go to him if you must have him.

She is possessive - you’ve been her stability for a decade, now you want that to change, she is unnerved. Have you asked if there is anything else bothering her? Has he tried his luck there? There’s no reason why he shouldn’t, from his point of view - you like him so why wouldn’t she?

Borntobedifferent · 15/04/2019 14:36

barryfromclareisfit

What an odd post. Yes it's a big age gap but she is 28 which is old enough to make that decision. Why would he hit on her sister ?

BackforGood · 15/04/2019 14:51

From what you've written, I can't see the problem with her responses, tbh. She's not there to entertain him. He is there 1/2 the time anyway, so isn't a "guest" that you need to hold a "fake" type of conversation with. Saying 'Hi' in passing is fine. He isn't her friend.
Quite possibly she is uncomfortable at the idea of her sister with such an older man. Whether she is or isn't, she doesn't have to like him, just because you do. she's not - from what you have written - being out and out rude, she just doesn't particularly want to chat with him. I think that is fair enough.

AliceRR · 15/04/2019 15:04

I can understand it being a pain to have your sister’s partner work around half the week but if you sisters are close enough that you will live together or spend a lot of time together in one another’s homes then that’s something you would both have to live with. Maybe you would find it difficult if she had a partner who was around half the week.

But, whilst she doesn’t need to be his best friend, there is no reason not to say hi and be polite and she needs to make an effort for you.

I think you need to talk to her and let her know that if you two are to continue to have a close relationship she needs to make more of an effort with your partner

AliceRR · 15/04/2019 15:05

Obviously it’s not for anyone else to tell you he’s too old for you

AvengersAssemble · 15/04/2019 15:24

She is not a teenager she is 20 and is able to manage herself. YAU you brought your DP into you and your DS home and expect your sister to care about him the same way you do!

Notinmyduty · 16/04/2019 12:09

She feels threatened by his presence - she is probably scared she is going to lose you and she does not feel ready to face life alone - second rejection almost expected as she probable is carrying quite a lot of baggage from her parent's rejection of her.
Don't expect her to make conversation with him - if she is uninterested that's ok, downright rude is not. He can't make her feel for him by telling his stories - she doesn't care what has happened to him. He is a guest - he shouldn't expect her to converse with him if she doesn't wish to - maybe she could go to her room if she doesn't wish to be sociable - all the nice things he does are for you not for your sister - he should not be taking her out for dinner if he is expecting something in return (friendship I mean) Stop trying to make him part of your family - he's your relationship and your sister does not wish to be part of it.

mbosnz · 16/04/2019 15:51

Have you asked her why her manner towards him has changed?

I do think that there is no reason why she should be expected to listen to his stories - you are his girlfriend, not her. You picked him, not her. Basic courtesy, hullo, goodbye, not blatantly ignoring him, yes. But 'grateful', and 'sweet'? Erm. Ick. If he's doing things, he is (or should be) doing them for YOU. Not her - she's just a fringe beneficiary.

I'm possibly a little biased in that I had a family member who married into the family who seemed to think that entitled him to access to a younger family member. I was pretty sodding rude to him too. And got castigated for not being 'friendly', 'polite', and 'sweet'.

lunar1 · 16/04/2019 16:05

I think him being in her home three nights a week and having to listen to his stories and injuries followed by a list of responses you deem appropriate is too much.

It doesn't sound like somewhere I could relax.

BrokenWing · 16/04/2019 20:58

If you want your sister to act like an adult then treat her like one. A 20 year old in a flat share doesn't want a 50 year old man hanging about at least half the time. Have you discussed boundaries around either of you having partners over that often, especially if one of you doesnt get on with the others partner?

adaline · 17/04/2019 10:52

Did you ask her before you started inviting your 50yr old boyfriend into her home for half the week?

Katterinaballerina · 17/04/2019 10:57

You’ve been parenting a teenager for 8 years but you’re only 28. You’re sister is now an adult. You have some freedom. Why get involved with a 50 year old who’s still living with his mum?

Chocolate50 · 18/04/2019 15:42

Wow there's a lot of ageist comments on this thread! Stop with the prejudice!

becky1508wilson · 13/05/2019 23:18

HiItsClemFandango - absolutely. We've been trying for a while, but he's self employed so business is up and down so difficult financially

converseandjeans - as above, business is up and down. He went through a bad stage financially so had to move back home. Business hasn't picked up enough, and unfortunately I think he's become a bit tied to her.

Crimson Lake - I had thought of offering her a room to call home, but not live in. However since this post, I am going to let her manager herself by herself. I need her to appreciate what I've done and the only way is by her having to be responsible for herself.

barryfromclareisfit - what makes someone "too old", why should adult relationships be limited to an age range? Does someones age suddenly make them unkind, unromantic, dissimilar interests, dissimilar goals? Does it make that person unenjoyable to be with, does it make that person unsafe to be with? does it mean because he's older that he doesn't make me warm and happy? What age does someone become all of these things?
There has been nothing going on between them, I don't suspect it. I am not an idiot to know this happens with some men so I bare in mind the minute possibility but he is never not with me in the home and I trust she would tell me. I just don't think they are each other's cup of tea

Backforgood - the reason I expect a bit more from her, is because as she's 20 I want her to know how to be polite and accommodating even if someone isn't your friend. Behaving in a way that makes someone else uncomfortable is not a good way to act. I am capable of being civil, making simple conversation and being pleasant to those that I wouldn't chose to spend my time with. It's a helpful skill and one that would make a future between all three are more pleasant one. I don't want her to be uncomfortable visiting me when we move in together, or vice versa. Christmas won't be the same and so on and such forth.

AliceRR - Thankyou for your reasonable words. I have tried, she won't engage in conversation so I have spoken at her a few times. Encouraging politeness etc

AvengersAssemble - not at all. If I was her, I probably wouldn't like him either. They are worlds apart with no common ground. Friendly conversational skills with a somewhat open mind yes.

Notinmyduty would you expect your siblings to not converse or be polite to your partner? would you accept their disinterest and lack of politeness?

mbosnz - I hear you. I think for me, it's the social skills. If someone tries with me, I appreciate it and engage. He makes the effort and its met with what I would consider rudeness. You see it from her point of view, which is very valid, but if my shoe or his shoe was on your foot?

lunar1 I appreciate it's difficult for her, as it is me. The trouble is that we are stuck not having our own space at the moment. My request from her is politeness and not making it clear you don't want that person there. If I was him, i'd have not come back but to save our relationship he does.

BrokenWing she hasn't had a relationship and I would hope that if she does that we would have a decent discussion about it. I appreciate it isn't a great situation for any party.

Adeline - Yes I did. Before he moved in, he used to come over 3 nights a week so she was aware of this before I opened up my home to her. I have said _ is coming on _ is that okay?

Katterinaballerina We all have cons to us, that is one of his. For me, his pros heavily outweigh his living situation. If he was a weirdo who never had left home or has no intention or isn't actively trying to buy a house then.. it would be more of a concern.

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Ohyesiam · 14/05/2019 06:36

We had a big fall out several months ago (over something different but above story definitely helped fuel it), where I was very clear and had an outburst informing her how selfish and inconsiderate she is

Do you tell her how you feel apart from during an argument? The way you describe it sounds like there’s always an elephant in the room. You can be calm and kind and sit her down and tell her exactly what you expect of her.and reassure her, she is jealous and insecure, she fears losing you like she lost your mum. And pull her up on it every single time she is rude, without anger.

You have been exceptionally kind and loving. To help her transition into an adult you need to be boundaried and stick to it. Love is strong as well as soft.

Hope it all goes well.

becky1508wilson · 14/05/2019 09:59

@Ohyesiam

I have tried many many times calmly. She avoids all discussion that involves baring feelings. She says nothing or just laughs with discussion.

At the moment shes transitioning and pulling away from me. We are still getting on but not how we used to. Shes less silly
(which was our humour) and being affectionate doesnt exist (if I say good night love you she doesnt say it back) I accept shes finding her own feet but wish she would open up.

Hopefully she comes out of it a well rounded independant person but I think not. I see traits in her that I never saw before. Shes selfish inconsiderate and uncaring. It makes me realise a little why my mum was how she was. For me, as a parent you dont give up when your child distances themself buring the bridges impossible for a child to rebuild.

I feel responsible as her guardian in life and I hope these traits dont domininate.

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FishCanFly · 14/05/2019 14:40

Time for you to live separately. She's an adult and you're not her parent. As for your partner, I imagine it must feel pretty awkward to her

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