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13yr old daughter can't control her temper

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tacaba · 01/02/2019 15:32

My daughter has always been a very sensitive person ever since she was a baby she would cry even if people looked at her or having her picture taken, I was really worried that she wouldn't cope when starting nursery. She would constantly cry at school about everything.. when she fell over she would react like she had broken her leg and scream at the top of her lungs. The teachers at her primary school got used to her overreacting and eventually when she did really hurt herself at school (broke her wrist) noone took any notice of her...even me and her father didn't take her seriously as we were so used to her overreactions, we did decide to take her to the hospital after she had eventually calmed down she was 7. The teachers at the school apologised as one of the dinner ladies had scolded her verbally for her screams and felt really awful after she found out that she had really hurt herself...I understood the Dinner ladies reaction to my daughter as I would of most likely reacted the same. My daughter would constantly get told that she was a cry baby at school and I and my husband tried to explain to her that she must try not to cry all the time as people won't believe that anything is really wrong because she does it all the time. Eventually my daughter stopped crying so much as she grew but then the tears turned to anger instead when she turned 11 this is when her behaviour started to change, she started shouting first anytime we asked her to do something around the house or clean her room, she would constantly try to control the situation by shouting and refusing to go to her room to calm down, this continued for another year (me and her father put it down to hormones) when she became 12 her behaviour began to escalate by crying profusely and threatening her own life and beginning to attack her sister who is 5 yrs older (we have never had any behaviour issues with my eldest daughter) we decided that we needed to get some professional help for my youngest last year by visiting the doctor and explained what had been going on, as her behaviour can only be explained as bi polar she would be happy one second and then violent and abusive the next we were all walking on eggshells with her my husband would come home from work to world war 3 we tried all options to try to deal with the situation, research with books... trawling through the internet, we tried every tactic from punishment to trying to talk to her calmly, hugging her telling her that we love her, stickers, walking out the house, but nothing works, she sees the red mist and everything goes out the window, when we went to the doctor said that it could be hormones and we could put her on the pill and gave me information about child counseling which I applied and I was told by them that it will be about 6 mths before she would get help. I thought this was much too long.. but it was the waiting list (we can't afford private) this was late last year and my daughter has turned 13 since she seemed to improve for a while after that and we went around a month without any episodes but slowly it has started again but now it she has turned much more violent, we have linked some of her behaviour to her phone and have removed it from her, as she goes mental when we tell her to come off it. She attacked her sister by punching and kicking her to the floor when I and my husband were at work, my eldest never hits her back, my children have never been hit by me or my husband, and we are a very quiet family, me and my husband have been together for 21 years and have a fantastic relationship (of course this situation is causing stress for us both) my daughter then chased her father with a pair of scissors that were in her sisters room (these have now been removed) and punches and kicks him. She eventually calms down and breaks down crying and apologising saying that she can't control herself and we forgive her and try to move on hoping that she will eventually get help. Then yesterday was the worst she came home from school and was fine (she doesn't have any episodes at school and is doing really well) I asked her to please walk the dog (the dog was bought for her as she said it would help her to stay calm so my husband bought her a puppy Cocker spaniel the one she wanted... for the record it didn't) she said that she would after watching a program on TV as she said that when her dad comes home from work he turns her programs off, I agreed and waited when the program had finished I reminded her again and she made excuses again... I asked her repeatedly (nicely) for an hour and she eventually started to get ready, and then suddenly began huffing and complaining about the fact that she was tired and didn't want to go, I then explained that she had a responsibility to her dog and that he had been inside most of the day (the dog hates using the garden to go to the toilet, he waits for his walks to go) she then said that she didn't want to go on her own, I said ok I needed to go to the shop so I would walk with her if she was willing to wait outside the shop for me, she said no! I then said ok I will walk with you and then I will go to the shop on my own and she can carry on home without me...she started to shout and screamed no! She began screaming at me as I said ok I will go as it was perfectly clear that she didn't want to go, she grabbed the dogs lead which was attached to the dog and screamed for me to get out!! I calmly walked out of the kitchen which my daughter was sitting on the floor screaming get out!! Go away!! I went into the front room away from her and she was still screaming at me to get out I calmly refused and said that I would stay away from her and not say anything. She then said you better get out because you have no idea what I am capable of! I said that I was going to stay in there all of a sudden she got up off the kitchen floor went into the kitchen drawer and grabbed a large kitchen knife and came into the front room towards me then screamed for me to get out! I backed up towards the door and she chucked the knife on the couch and came up to me and whacked me full force across the head and hit me in the face, I did not retaliate or respond, she then took the knife into the small bathroom at locked the door made a loud scream and went silent. At this point I went up to the door of the bathroom and said if she did not answer me within 5 seconds I was calling the police, I counted down and she responded when I got to 0 I then said that I was going to take the dog and left her in the bathroom. I called my husband and told him what happened, he said that he couldn't believe what had happened and that this has gone too far. I know that I should tell the police but I can't! I don't want her to get into trouble or taken away from us, I am just waiting for the help from the NHS and hopefully she will get the help that she really needs.

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MegaBat · 01/02/2019 16:05

You poor thing

Has she got additional needs? Is she on the autistic spectrum? Has anyone suggested this to you? It presents differently in girls

I don't know about the police being the right way to go unless you truly believe there are no extenuating needs here

I'd suggest an urgent GP appointment and also speaking with the school urgently that this is hoovering at home to see if they can help access support quicker

ImperfectTents · 01/02/2019 17:01

She needs help. My dd was referred to Cahms . Cbt has helped her and it has helped us understand her behaviour which means we are all calmer. We are considering asking for a asd assessment and medication for low mood. I know the wait for Cahms is long but the sooner you do it the better. In our case the gp and the school contacted Cahms. All my sympathy it is a horrible thing to go through. Good luck

tacaba · 01/02/2019 18:04

No my daughter as far as I am aware has no additional needs, she only acts like this around us, if anyone else is around she won't do it. She is well behaved at school and has great grades and is well liked she is an amazing pianist also, I have no idea why she wants to hurt us. I am scared of her and am really reluctant to ask her to do anything for me, as sometimes she will be more than happy to do it.... others she completely flips out. I have to treat her with kid gloves. My husband is really suffering with it as he works long hours as a construction worker in the freezing cold and comes home very tired and sore...and finding it really hard to cope with...he says to me that on many occasions he just doesn't want to come home... I understand how he feels...my husband is a very understanding person but even he has his limits when he just wants a little peace and quiet after a long... long day.
My daughter can be the most loving person also but she just has this evil side that comes out of her...she reminds me of my mother she was a abusive alcoholic and was always looking for an argument or drama and was extremely selfish. I had no relationship with her in the last 10yrs of her life (she drank herself to death) I always kept my children away from her as her behaviour was disturbing and disfunctional... I am starting to believe that maybe my mum had a mental health problem that she was medicating with alcohol, as she couldn't cope with being sober. Maybe my daughter has inherited this from my mother and she just doesn't know how to deal with it. She has my mother's red hair.

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tacaba · 01/02/2019 18:09

Ps. I have removed all possible weapons from the house...

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ImperfectTents · 01/02/2019 21:33

She isn't evil, please try and access some help for her.

tacaba · 01/02/2019 22:18

I know that my daughter is not evil, just like I knew my mother wasn't evil I was just trying to explain what it is like...she spits out vile language and causes so many tears, upset and trauma and then after she has had her episode calms down and then apologises and we all have to act like non of it happened...we can't discuss it in any depth afterwards as she gets very defensive and starts getting angry again and shouts that she can't help it...? I have gone for help and still waiting. What do I do in the meantime?

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Kleinzeit · 01/02/2019 23:33

I'm sorry you are going through this. It's possible that the same sensitivities that made her tearful as a child are making her angry now. Some girls with high sensitivity have enough energy to control themselves in school but they can't keep it up at home as well.

It doesn't exactly sound like bipolar because bipolar is (usually) longer periods of very high energy that rise over a period of time and then sink down into a period of profound depression. It sounds more as if she is permanently on "red alert" and is keeping it together in school until she gets home and then something happens that triggers an aggressive response. When she is feeling relaxed you can ask her to do something and it's OK, but when she's tired or stressed then any request tips her over the edge.

One of her triggers seems to be when she is asked to do things, so try googling Pathological Demand Avoidance. It's an autism spectrum condition but it looks different from other kinds of autism. Also have a look at strategies for managing anxiety because even if she doesn't seem to be anxious and can't put the anxiety into words, an anxious personality can be an underlying cause that feeds into aggression. She may not be able to do much anxiety management for herself so it may be more a matter of you bending over backwards to avoid making the kinds of demands she can't handle or putting her in situations that trigger her anxiety.

It sounds as if long negotiations and repeatedly asking her to do things doesn't work for her. She may be better following a strict routine that is exactly the same every day and that doesn't have any unexpected or extra requests at all. And if you ask her to do something that isn't part of the routine and she puts it off rather than doing it immediately, it might be safer to treat that as a "no" and find some other way to get the dog walked.

Some of us with difficult and aggressive children have been helped by Ross Greene's ]] book and Lives in the Balance website.It's different from the strategies you've tried so far, and it doesn't depend on a particular diagnosis, so it might work for her. It would really help if you can find a way to identify what is triggering her rage attacks.

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Kleinzeit · 01/02/2019 23:35

(Sorry, the book should be Explosive Child)

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