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Unhappy teen - when to act and what to do.

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BooRad · 01/01/2019 08:21

DD aged 13 had a falling out with her friends just before Christmas and is very unhappy. I'd put it all down to this but I'm wondering if it's part of a bigger picture and when I should try and get help.

I'll try to be brief, sorry if it goes on.

She's always found making friends very difficult. I mean even as far back as reception I'd be told she prefers to play alone. This seemed to settle in years 1-4 but year 5 was a bit tricky. Then year 6 was awful when she had no friends and was totally isolated. I'd thought this was due to her friends leaving and the other children being in established groups. I hoped year 7 would be a fresh start and it was when she made a really close friend. Her only ever best friend according to her. Unfortunately the friend moved countries at the end of year 7. Confused

She got in with this new group at the start of year 8 and I breathed a sigh of relief. However, during this time since September she's also changed quite a bit. She's been reluctant to go to school (but has done, just moans alot), very difficult when doing homework which she leaves to the last minute, her grades have dropped, she comes in and goes straight up stairs saying she's had enough of people. She spends alot of time on her phone and upstairs and is pretty vile to her younger siblings who she'd previously got on well with. Dd is my eldest so I thought it was just the teen years and kept telling myself the MN mantra: this too shall pass.

However, last night I found a page on Instagram she's following which was all about sadness. I asked her if she felt that way and she said all of the following : she hates school, the noise, the pressure, the people. She finds making friends very difficult and doesn't get people, she said the group of girls I thought she was friends with were mean and excluding her. She has excluded herself further by sending them all a message saying she's down with them and now they've blocked her on SM. I tried to tell her it probably would have passed and there was no need for the message but she just says they're mean and she'd rather be alone. She may be right but I can't help but think why her again?!?!

She also said she feels sad, depressed, anxious. She feels panic when the teachers go too far ahead and she says she can't keep up and there's no time to catch up.

She repeatedly says eh doesn't like school but when I ask exactly what she doesn't like about it she just keeps saying "I don't know".

I'm not sure what to do to help. I am hoping the argument with the girls will blow over but even if it does, I do feel there maybe more to this. Her issues around friends seem so deep. DH thinks she needs to lighten up and stop being so serious. She's always been a very deep person. Lots of deep emotions and over analysing going on. Is this all normal or am I missing something more serious? I am thinking anxiety or maybe even ASD at the lower end of the spectrum?

I have planned to put a different routine in as she definitley doesn't sleep enough, help her more with organising homework as she tends to just give up if she thinks she won't do well which she won't do as she leaves it all to the last minute Hmm. And get her off her phone and out. I also want to try and persuade her to contact one of the girls from the group to break the ice before she goes back. If that doesn't improve things by half term I might involve the school. Just not sure what else to do.

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twinklylights · 01/01/2019 10:35

My DD14 is a bit like this, it's very hard to see. She spends most of her time alone at school and has isolated herself really. She suffers with anxiety and after a visit to the GP who referred her to Cahms (waste of time) we have found a private counsellor. My DD is convinced that this isnt helping much yet but is committed to giving it a go for a bit longer before we take stock again. Has your DD's school got an in house counsellor available? That may be a good place to start.

BooRad · 01/01/2019 11:57

Thank you. I don't know if they have a counsellor. I think I might have another think at the next half term as I want to see if the argument with her friends will blow over. I'm reluctant to her her tested for ASD but wonder if it's worth doing.

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TigerQuoll · 01/01/2019 13:02

"she tends to just give up if she thinks she won't do well"

Maybe inattentive ADD? I don't know anything about it but saw someone mention it on this site.

BarbarianMum · 01/01/2019 15:01

I wouldnt push her to reconcile with these friends tbh - if they are mean and she feels on the outside of the group that's unlikely to get better. Instead, give her the confidence to find nicer friends. What are her interests? Does she go to any in-school clubs or groups?

BooRad · 01/01/2019 17:17

Yes she does do some hobbies but none have transpired into friendships. She seems much brighter today. I think Barbarian Mum is probably right in saying I shouldn't push her with these girls. It's just I don't think there are many other options from what she's said and everyone is established now. I'm just worried about her having no one. I'd anyone with a girl with ASD could have a look at my first post and let me know if any of it rings a bell, that would be great to know. I just don't understand why she has so many social issues.

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BarbarianMum · 01/01/2019 18:49

I cant comment on the asd but it is absolutely not true that it is "too late" for her to make friends, or that she has missed her chance in some way. Friendship groups are constantly shifting and reforming at that age.

Perhaps, if the thought of "making friends" seems like too big a task, she could start by finding like-minded people to spend lunchtime with? Are there any groups or societies she's interested in at school?

YahBasic · 01/01/2019 19:07

She sounds just like me as a child & teen. Maybe have a read up on the Highly Sensitive Person/Child and see if that resonates.

I didn’t really make friends until Year 9, and even then they were fairly transient. I was fairly content in my own company but had the internal battle with how I was supposed to be.

It does get easier. You just need to help her find the balance between understanding her feelings enough but not wallowing or overanalysing.

ittakes2 · 01/01/2019 19:37

Sorry lots of Asd in my family including myself and sounds very asd to me. Asd in females is very tricky - apparently we realise at a very young age we are missing some social skills so over compensate by spending lots of time subconsciously analysing how to socialise so look normal to others but struggle with long term friendships. One of the reasons is we spend so much time thinking about it we have worked out what on paper would make an excellent friend and try and be that - but likewise we are disappointed if others don’t try like we do. Her sensitivity to sounds is another red flag plus her putting things off - sensory overload can be the reason we are trying to manage our stress.

BooRad · 01/01/2019 20:13

Thank you. That all makes sense.

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captainoftheshipwreck · 01/01/2019 20:16

Op - have a look at the girl with the curly hair which is an organisation helping with girls with asd - useful stuff on there for anxiety as well. Hope it’s useful.

Titsywoo · 01/01/2019 20:18

Very much sounds like ASD. Can you contact CAMHS or maybe your GP first to see if you can get referred? If possible see if anyone at school has similar concerns about her as it helps to have them on side. The teen years are tough for kids with ASD. My son is nearly 12 but I'm prepared for it to be tough for him even though he is high functioning and not too bothered about having friends. DD is NT (as far as I am aware) but does struggle a bit socially and it's been really difficult for her (she's in year 9 now).

Meesh77 · 01/01/2019 20:21

I diagnose ASD and I was going to ask whether you’d considered that. Previous posters make good points.

BooRad · 02/01/2019 07:16

For those who think it may be ASD, can I ask about empathy? I always thought empathy is lacking in ASD but DD has it by the bucket loads. If anything she is too tuned into others feelings at times.

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mnistooaddictive · 02/01/2019 07:26

Your description sounded just like ASD to me. 14 is classic age for ASD to become obvious in girls. You can go for formal diagnosis but it isn’t quick (my dd is 2 years 20 months in and still waiting).
Better for her to understand herself and know that she finds it difficult because of who she is.

shadypines · 02/01/2019 16:15

Hi OP, she sounds a lot like my DD, now 16yrs, who has always struggled with friendships. In particular she struggles with girls being bitchy, jealous and queen bees etc, it is all nonsense to her and just wants to get on with people but struggles to find like minded.

It has helped my DD to find a hobby (sport) outside school. At least it gives her something else to think about and focus on. It is worth your DD trying some sort of hobby, whatever it might be where she can meet other people.

if she seems troubled when back in school it is worth speaking to the staff to see how they can help matters, For eg my DD used to get involved with the chaplaincy at lunchtimes just for something to do.
It is tough at times like these, the basic mantra I gave to my DD was be yourself and to try and be pleasant to others and hopefully things will fall into place. I hope things improve for her soon OP. Flowers

hedwigge · 02/01/2019 16:38

Sounds more AVPD than ASD?

SusanWalker · 02/01/2019 16:45

DS has ASD and can be very empathetic. He was the first person to try and help someone if they had fallen over at primary and unfortunately gets himself into tricky situations at school trying to defend people whom he thinks are being bullied.

When he was not a moody teen if I was ill he would put an extra blanket and all his favourite teddies on my bed to help me get better. Before taking the teddies back as he couldn't sleep without them. Grin

He has also always struggled with friendships and is a massive school refuser because he can't cope with the noise, lights and crowds of people or the endless mental energy needed to decipher all the social codes everyone else just gets.

He also spends a lot of time on.his tablet as he finds it relaxing and it stops him having too many bad thoughts (he has depression and anxiety alongside his ASD).

I would consider asking for an assessment. It's win win. Either she doesn't have it but they may give you some advice on helping with friendships. It she has it and can get help from here on in.

With her hobbies perhaps try a team sport if she would like it. DS does rugby and gets to be in a team but with rules which is easier than just hanging out with friends.

BooRad · 02/01/2019 18:22

Thank you for the suggestion hedwigge, I've had a look at AVPD (never heard of it before) and it doesn't quite fit. SusanWalker, that's interesting what you say about empathy and ASD. I always thought the lack of empathy is a sure sign but DD sounds like your son. She will go to great lengths to defend people and has even commended for it in school. I'm going to read about the triad of impairment and see if there is anything specifically about teen girls.

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YahBasic · 02/01/2019 19:09

HSP is highly linked to empathy. As is sensory overload.

LatentPhase · 02/01/2019 19:32

I’ve just read your OP, OP. I couldn’t not comment. Your dd sounds so similar to mine. She was diagnosed when she was 9. So subtle it was a 5 year journey to get there. She is now 14. And doing AOK. She still complains about school and everything about it, noise, people talking to her, homework, teachers. But is coping and I tell her all the time I am in awe at her resilience(I am!).

A journey to a diagnosis can take months or years. Do read up on it. I would start by adjusting your expectations around what sort of friendships are realistically achievable. My dd seems to flit through different friendship groups all the time. I accept that as long as she is basically ok then that is fine. I try to reinforce her self esteem at home and make life as easy as possible at home. My dd used to be vile and shouty at home at times she wasn’t coping with school. Could be that it’s the anxiety expressing itself. Try and deal with the perfectionism by just making light of homework, saying breezily ‘right let’s spend 30mins on this’ and put the structure in.

Good luck for the return to school. I would get in touch with the pastoral team and take it from there.

The best piece of advice was from her paediatrician. Try and teach her about nuggets of wisdom, rules, praise, etc when she is calm and relaxed. Help her directly/talk things through only at those times.

I bet your dd is lovely and cares a lot about people and the world.

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LatentPhase · 02/01/2019 19:37

Oh and my dd has loads of empathy and is very sensitive to the way people are. She quite intuitive. It’s more the codes of behaving which are tricky. But she has learned so much about how to do it and actually SM can be really useful (can interact but not do it in person, time to think about how to reply etc.)

LatentPhase · 02/01/2019 19:42

Should say my dd was diagnosed with ASD.

I’m off to google AVPD

Meesh77 · 03/01/2019 10:55

PD would not be appropriately dx until adulthood

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