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Teenage boy and barely dressed teenage girls (as friends)

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takingturns · 05/08/2018 12:40

I have a typical 13 year old boy and we have a good communicative relationship. I want him to grow up respecting women and not see them just as objects. Sometimes this is really difficult - with for eg social media's obsession with appearance, online porn etc
As he goes to an all-boys school I've been keeping in touch with family friends with teenage girls the same age so that he has the chance of developing female friendships. But, I'm not sure I can carry on doing this at the moment - every time I've seen them recently (4 girls from different families all about 13-15 years) they are experimenting with their clothes, make up etc which is obviously a necessary part of growing up and they have an absolute right to do so. But for all of them it seems to mean the same thing - long false nails, heavy make up, shorts with half their bum falling out, crop tops, and bra tops with nothing else on top (boobs fully on display). The mums always apologise about it - all the adults seem to feel v uncomfortable and embarrassed about it but say nothing.
I'm not sure we want to go back to parents yelling 'you can't go out like that' and of course females should be allowed to wear what they want.
But for my son and his friends - it's all a bit confusing. On the one hand they are being told to treat young women as their equals and on the other hand their female friends are all obsessing about their appearances and buying into this very over-sexualised view of what women should look like.
I think I'm going to give them all a wide berth for a while until this phase has passed.
How have others dealt with it?

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specialsubject · 05/08/2018 15:06

the only lesson he needs is that just because neckline and hemline are close, the girl is not actually offering access to either.

he may of course find thick slap, mucky long nails and no interests other than appearance both laughable and deadly dull.

WellThisIsShit · 05/08/2018 15:07

It is difficult and I think it’s worth acknowledging that it IS a difficult situation to navigate for a young teen!

Well, it’s clearly difficult for older men too and they could do with some training on how to behave, but that’s another conversation, grrr.

Bringing up the new generation involves helping them navigate all this stuff, and I’m like you, a single mum of a boy, and very much ‘on it’ with regards to sexism and equality. But it’s hard to instil these values in a society which seems determined to move backwards not forwards in this regards.

Anyway, I’d have an open discussion with him about why the girls are dressing like this. Covering experimenting with fashion and body image and their own sexuality and the way they can impact on the world. I’d dwell on the idea that it’s internally driven for them, not externally motivated ie they are not doing it FOR him, and he shouldn’t take it as a signal about how available they are or what they might be open to letting men and boys do to them etc etc etc.

Then I’d help him come up with ideas for how to behave around his friends who are wearing scanty clothing, and what not to do.

It’s always good to make a few jokes here and use someone else as an example, perhaps an imaginary idiotic person (or real life people you both know who might do socially cringeworthy awful things at a push... enough to be used as props in your story making anyway!

Then throw in a few ridiculous and extreme reactions and stuff... like the guy who tries so hard not to look at his friend with the revealing top and shorts on, that he ignores her and keeps turning his back on her the whole time, and she ends up slapping him and storming out. Or the borish pig who is so busy staring at the girls bottom that he doesn’t look where he’s going and ends up falling down a man hole, where he gets left as his friends decide to walk off without him.

It’s good to use extreme examples because he probably does know more than he thinks about how to behave, it’s just about feeling confident enough. With ridiculous examples of other people clearly getting it wrong, he can gain in confidence as he can identify how wrong they are and what not to do, so he must have some sense of what makes a good friend to girls experimenting with their look.

And I’d give him a get out so he can remove himself from situations he’s uncomfortable with or just finds too much to deal with.

You know your ds so you have to pitch this stuff at a level he can understand, but I think that’s how I’d handle it.

It’s hard if your son has hit puberty in the same way yet, so might be baffled by it all at the moment... or maybe he’s battling raging hormones himself and everything is just weird and unreliable and nothing goes by the same old rules anymore, inside or out!

I’d also point out that all this is probably a phase so by the time autumn hits fashion desires may have all moved on anyway.

Finally, I’d point out that it’s worth keeping it in perspective. How much time does he spend looking at his male friends shirts? Probably all of a few seconds. Because it’s just not that important or interesting. And when he’s feeling comfortable around his female friends again, it will be the same (or similar anyway). Because, it’s not their chests that are the interesting thing about them...

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 15:12

On the one hand they are being told to treat young women as their equals and on the other hand their female friends are all obsessing about their appearances and buying into this very over-sexualised view of what women should look like

I’m confused as to how they are dressed means they’re not equal tbh OP.

OctaviaOctober · 05/08/2018 16:59

I agree with YeTalkShiteHen, I was about to quote the same text.

Why can't a girl be his equal because she's in a crop top and shorts? If your DS gets hot and takes his shirt off, does he instantly become less worthy of respect? You'd probably find that a daft question, because he's male. Especially in this weather I can't see what all the fuss is about. Are you all sitting there covered from neck to ankle feeling uncomfortable about a teenage girl in a crop top?

blackeyes72 · 07/08/2018 13:46

I agree with all the previous posters, in essence he should be able to respect women no matter how they are dressed.

On the other hand, can I also say that not all girls at that age are the same. My DD1 is nearly 14 and hasn't got long nails, doesn't wear make up (maybe a bit of mascara if she goes to a party) and only dresses up with bodycon type dresses, straightened hair etc if she goes to a disco/party. Day to day she is in jeans and a t-shirt or fleece, trainers, short nails, no make up.

I hang out with dozens of her friends as we always have them over for sleepovers, cinema, etc...and they are all like her. I suggest you encourage your son to take up a mixed sport/activity where he mixes with a variety of girls, especially if he is in an all girls environment.

PS I am shocked at the prostitute comment, what a terrible thing to say you your own 13 year old child. Shocking.

blackeyes72 · 07/08/2018 13:47
  • I meant especially if he is in an all boys environment
Racecardriver · 07/08/2018 13:57

Honestly, I wouldn't encourage him to spend time with people who walk around half naked in the same way I wouldnt encourage a friendship with someone who wears tracksuits every single day. But I wouldn't stop him from perusing the friendships either so long as he understands that this kind of behaviour is abnormal and he shouldn't feel uncomfortable socialising with people that dress properly/shouldn't seek out these kinds of people as friends over and above people in general either.

colditz · 07/08/2018 14:02

Honestly, I wouldn't encourage him to spend time with people who walk around half naked in the same way I wouldnt encourage a friendship with someone who wears tracksuits every single day

Good grief, what a superbly twattish thing to say. How are you not ashamed of yourself?

flyright · 07/08/2018 14:09

wellthisisshit what a sensible, helpful post.

wickedorwhat · 08/08/2018 15:06

sorry but we do live in a hyper sexualised and looks obsessed society so why pretend we are not? things were very different years ago , i know times change but is this for the better? i dont think so, I think the girls are just as confused as the boys tbh and i cant see any good coming out of it. And why is there such an upsurge of teenage depression and anxiety?? It seems some parents encourage it.

colditz · 08/08/2018 16:03

Depression and anxiety in teens? Can’t possibly be due to global warming, threats of recession due to leaving eu, complete lack of job prospects and record levels of teen unemployment could it??? No, must be visible belly buttons.

haribosmarties · 08/08/2018 16:10

I dont understand how you can say you want him to grow up respecting women and in the same breath be very judgemental about the way girls around him dress?? Surely that is not going to foster respect for women... if anything its going to foster not respecting women who dress a certain way... I mean if thats what you want then go for it!
But if you genuinely want him to respect women in general then id just not pass comment on what these girls wear at all. Like you said its a bit of a right of passage for teen girls.... when I think back to the state I used to look at 13! Goth to glittery sixth member of the spice girls and back again!!! and yes with the crop tops and ridiculous heels!

anitagreen · 08/08/2018 16:46

Maybe you need to teach a look but not touch attitude, people dress differently, at that age I dressed the same I also had male friends who respected how I dressed simply as we was friends they didn't lose their minds over my how I looked or treated me any different Hmm

bringbacksideburns · 08/08/2018 16:55

Jesus fucking Christ. I can't believe some of what I'm reading.

Cherryminx · 08/08/2018 22:00

I don't buy the whole you aren't what you dress idea. I think that young girls are being quite misguided in all this. I often read about how girls should be able to wear whatever they like and be treated as equals but never read the same for boys.

How would everyone feel if OPs son walked around in a mankini?

multivac · 08/08/2018 22:16

Aw, OP - are the girls you are choosing to use for your boy's socialisation (given that you've carefully ruled out him meeting any non-hand-picked ones for the most significant years of his adolescence) not meeting up to your standards of female presentation?

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