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Struggling with angry outbursts

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Tenroundswithmiketyson · 15/03/2018 13:32

I have been struggling with my 13 year old DD. A bit of background: she is on the waiting list to see a counsellor. She has a diagnosis from CAMHS - emetophobia & OCD.

The main problem I am having from her now, though, is angry outbursts. We are getting all the normal teenaged selfishness - like this morning, she wanted a lift to school because she had made herself late.

This in itself doesn't sound so bad but when I say it is because she threw water at her brother while he was on the computer (a big no no and she knows) and refused to clean it up, it is. It is also bad when I say she kicked the door repeatedly and then my leg til I felt it bend.

I did dig my heels in and abjectly refused the lift and she did leave very late. I was quite prepared to tell the school why.

I had another outburst last night because I didn't want to go out for a walk with her because I was too tired after work and she kept saying she needed to get out and I kept saying I needed to relax. So she hummed this song as loudly as she could for a good half hour, while knocking on the wall. It took the nerves of cast iron to let her get on with it but that I did and I didn't take her on the walk. She eventually snapped out of it and apologised and appeared to understand.

Thing is, in the past, I have given in because I don't want to be hit, have stuff broken and can't handle the disruption. If I do try to lay down the law, she is relentless in her stubbornness to conform. When she was a baby, I tried to sleep train her and gave up after 3 hours of continued crying. When I tried to toilet train her, I ended up with a CAMHS referral before and being sent to parenting classes which did not work. Normal parenting techniques work on her brother, btw.

Sometimes, I can reason with her when calm but she will go and and do it again and again and again. I do think she just sometimes tells me what I want to hear. Her behaviour is OK at school though she doesn't have that many close friends now (used to when younger) and is behind, which has always been the case. The problem she has is that you have to tell her things over and over and it takes a long time to stick. This is where we struggle with the behaviour at home.

Last time I chased CAMHS, I got a very snotty woman on the phone who said we don't deal with stuff like this and told me to try to reason with her and, if she is annoying her brother, to let them sort it out themselves.

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EveryoneTalkAboutPopMusic · 15/03/2018 18:00

That does sound incredibly hard. I’ve recentky been reading up on ASD in girls and I’m no expert in fact I’m pretty far from it but I wonder if she’s ever been assessed? Do you think it would be worth asking your GP to refer her to a Paed for assessment?

Tenroundswithmiketyson · 15/03/2018 23:25

Yes, twice now but not thought to have the condition.

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EveryoneTalkAboutPopMusic · 16/03/2018 08:03

So someone must have thought she had ASD traits to assess her especially as they’ve assessed her twice, did you find that odd?

Can you go back to the GP? Kicking you is completely out of order.

MinaPaws · 16/03/2018 08:09

I feel for you. You are doing the right thing showing her that her actions have consequences, and that your needs are as valid as hers.
She needs to know that she absolutely cannot ever kick you or the house again. Next time, call the police. That sort of violence only escalates. But also, let her see that you are as concerned for her as you are for yourself, her brother and the house. (I'm sure you do.) Catch her in a quiet, calm moment for a hug and to ask what she thinks would help most to calm her when she feels the rage starting up. Work together on a strategy and whenever she does manage to control it give her masses of encouragement and reinforcement.

It's always easier for angry teens to talk to someone who isn't their parent, so if you can find a counsellor for her, have a go. There are some very good online free CBT sessions via the NHS she could try to sign up for.

Tenroundswithmiketyson · 16/03/2018 12:48

Hmmm. Yes and no but gut instinct says she doesn't have ASD. If anything, I'd say more ADHD because impulse control is a problem. She comes across as otherwise bright and articulate but severely lags behind at school to the extent that she has a SENCO.

She is quite good at talking when calm, says all the right things but that is lost in the moment.

I have threatened to call the police but it only escalates things. I would if I thought my life were in danger, though.

I will have a look for online CBT although she did say she'd rather talk to a real person, face-to-face

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SheldonandPenny · 18/03/2018 11:44

Flowers She sounds like hard, hard work and you are doing a great job. You are absolutely right to teacher her that being violent towards you (and repeatedly kicking you certainly is), will never work to get her own way.

She does seem to have made a connection between getting out and about with you and feeling better in herself. That's sounds very healthy especially as she wants to have you there too. Is it possible to timetable this in with you and make it fun even if only for 15-20 mins? Mine always act better when they've had a bit if exercise.

SheldonandPenny · 18/03/2018 12:06

I don't think for a minute this will solve lots, as this sounds full on, but it might give you a bit of space to reconnect and regroup.

Tenroundswithmiketyson · 20/03/2018 10:38

I felt a bit bad but I was so tired after work. Sometimes we will go off on a walk together and have a chat which is rather nice

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