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14 year old daughter...defiant and dangerous behaviour.

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CherHorowitz80 · 28/12/2016 10:54

Hi, I only just joined Mumsnet today because my teenage daughters behaviour is making me ill. We've had several instances when she has just stormed out of the house late at night and we don't know where she is - and usually for pretty much no reason. This happened Boxing Day when we were at her grandparents. She refuses to answer the phone and said she was staying at a friends house overnight but refused to say where. Of course we didn't know if this is true - she's 14 and therefore vulnerable but when we say we will call the police she holds us to ransom and says she will never come home if we do this. So many friends say, do this and do that - but ultimately even the calmest of showdowns over behaviour result in her storming out of the house. Aside from physically restraining her we have no way we can stop her doing it. Quite often these outbursts seem to come out of the blue. I don't know where to turn. Clearly we need to address this behaviour but everytime things calm down we are glad of this and try to avoid anything that will lead to another outburst. Safety is the big issue. We can't have her running off at stupid o'clock and risk something happening to her. Any advice would be so welcome or if anyone has been through anything similar? We lost a family member a few months ago and I have had it suggested that when this happens to teens they can question their own health/mortality and others too, making them act out.

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elliemillie · 21/07/2018 21:54

Heavens!! That sounds scary. Hugs. What a difficult situation.

I started reading your post because my 14 year old is exactly like this and was sexually assaulted last month after posting nudes on line and meeting up with much older males. Its been an awful time for us but she still insists on storming out, staying out till way past midnight, not telling us where she is etc etc. CAHMS has actually worsened things in our house. The general advice is to let her get on with her social media activity because we can't stop her putting herself at risk(all this was said infront of her. You can imagine how emboldened she was afterwards). But we are also responsible for her safety. Its very frustrating for me. I have gone against that advice and turned off snap chat and yubo which she uses to send the nudes and arrange the meet ups. It has stopped it temporarily but its like a waiting game for the next outburst about me isolating her and being a toxic mum.

I hope your DD is not badly hurt. They are so unbelievably trusting and somehow think bad things wont happen to them.
I have a 17 year old DD and she was nothing like this at 14. Its painful to live with

CherHorowitz80 · 23/07/2018 11:14

Oh my god what a terrible situation, social media is a scary place and kids really don’t get the dangers they can put themselves in, no matter how much they have it drummed into them. I also think some kids just don’t seem to have any sort of danger radar, I honestly do. I hope you and your daughter are holding up ok. I absolutely hear you about Cahms, but there response in your case is just insanity. I would make a complaint. They are supposed to be there for help and support and not to give out ridiculous and damaging advice. The whole system enrages me to be honest. ❤️

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cmimi83 · 23/07/2018 16:39

As horrible as I may sound , please believe me this is not my intention at all as I have a teenager that gives me a bit of headache so I half know the feeling, but how do you know this has really happened? has the police recorded their visit there? I mean it may sounds nuts but I would def check they were in the police section , if you haven’t already?
Sorry to say this but reading back at your posts if your daughter is not scared s...t about this incident, it did not happen or she is one of those children that they will learn the hard way.

CherHorowitz80 · 23/07/2018 18:08

Police have confirmed she was there and her and her friend both have consistent injuries. My daughter rarely tells me anything and hates being “treated like a 4 year old” so she’s hardly going to make up something that will lead us to do just that.

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cmimi83 · 23/07/2018 18:26

Let’s hope she learned something from this scary experience, maybe she got scared and she’ll calm down a bit for her sake .Must be terrible hard, mine doesn’t do half of what yours is and I feel like I’m loosing the plot sometimes.

CherHorowitz80 · 25/07/2018 22:23

It’s extremely hard, and I do feel your comment was a little judgemental and unhelpful - like, she’s either lying or something really bad will really stop her in her tracks. I’m sorry if this isn’t how you intended it but that’s how it came across.

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CaveDivingbelle · 26/07/2018 15:36

Only hugs to offer because we are in a similar position and I've no answer. Cahms are hopelessly snowed under and useless in my experience.Flowers

lisann17 · 30/07/2018 04:02

Hi I just joined searching for forums for rebellious teens . I'm actually in the U.S but came across this sight. My daughter is also 16 and doing whatever she wants with no regard to any of the rules .She's been sleeping at different peoples houses for weeks .And the police cant do anything, no one can unless she's in "danger"
I'm sending a hug out to you as I cry here not knowing where she is . What she's doing . The utter frustration makes me crazy . I'm a single mother and her father lives out of the country so I am alone! No one understands who isn't going through it . I sent her to a camp last week just to get a break of not worrying myself to death every night. She came back friday and I only saw her today . she talked to me a bit today but then went off with her friends and I havent seen her since . no contact . not answering me . She smokes weed and hangs out with older kids . Sketchy areas and people . Not her school friends that I know . Uses fake id to go to clubs etc . She's failed 10th grade and is in summer school but already missed too many days for full credit so i pleaded on her behalf for her to be able to continue and get half the credit on the premise she attends EVERY day for the remainder . Well, tomorrow she needs to be there at 8 am . Its now 11pm here and I have no idea where she is or if she even plans on going. The biggest frustration is her not answering my texts or calls! and i tell her this time after time after time .

Rebecca36 · 30/07/2018 04:07

"We lost a family member a few months ago and I have had it suggested that when this happens to teens they can question their own health/mortality and others too, making them act out."

That is very true.

It is a hard situation for you, extremely worrying, but I am sure it will pass. Please try to be calm and kind, she's angry right now and hits out but she doesn't mean to hurt you.

In these situations the police don't do much especially when the youngster comes home eventually.

CherHorowitz80 · 12/08/2018 22:12

Lisann hi ❤️ has your daughter had issues with depression or anything or is it just acting up or a combination of the two? I feel for you very much. It’s so hard. I only looked at this post tonight because we had a bad day today, a crazy outburst and trying to sneak alcohol out of the house not even discreetly - eventually I poured it down the sink, we hardly ever keep alcohol at home anyway. I feel like did I set her off today, was it something I did? She won’t talk to me still, I’m like the enemy that’s really the best friend she has although she doesn’t see it. Talking about wanting to die and how shit everything is. All you want is a chance to talk to them properly, have them open up to you even a little bit...they won’t do it and then you are to blame because you don’t understand them.

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CherHorowitz80 · 12/08/2018 22:17

Rebecca36
Thank you for your kind words ❤️ we’re still waiting for things to become calmer but it’s like waves of relatively ok mixed with nightmare times like today. I worry so much, sometimes I just sit for hours with my heart beating out of my chest...Then we have a little time of relative calm then from nowhere everything explodes again.

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CherHorowitz80 · 12/08/2018 22:19

CaveDivingBelle yes. I honestly thought Camhs would be our saving grace but it’s just not been.

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Butterflybelly · 20/08/2018 13:55

Can I add to this discussion. I have a 16 year old with similar issues. He is on a mission to self sabotage. Lots of weed smoking. Verbally abusive to me if he doesn’t get his own way. He’s sold nearly everything of value from my home. I’m being encouraged by family to throw him out. I really don’t want to do that but I’m not sure what else I can do to improve the situation. Maybe a bit of a shock will help? I’m so torn. I love him so much but he’s making life unbearable. Any advice would be great.

CherHorowitz80 · 06/09/2018 08:11

Hi, can I ask has he been mental health assessed or said anything himself that indicates a mental health issue? I would say this should be first thing to think about, because it can really affect their behaviour, also self harm takes lots of forms, and some of that can be sabotaging relationships etc. I do know that telling you to throw your own kid out is bad advice from people, I think about my daughter out there in the same way and feel for any chance of her becoming our “normal” daughter again she needs to know she’s loved and in a safe place. It’s really hard to parent teens like this. You have my sympathy ❤️

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