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How much housework?

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tallulah · 18/04/2004 17:23

My boys (16, 14, 12) do just about nothing at home. Occasionally after much nagging they will load/unload the dishwasher with a very bad grace. I did try to bring in a new regime several years ago but it got vetoed by DH (who said it was quicker to do it himself- hardly the point!)

These days I leave for work at 7.20am & get back at 5pm & seem to spend most of my evenings/weekends doing laundry, clearing up the kitchen, cooking & shopping, while 3 almost-adult-sized males lounge around watching cartoons! Enough is enough, & it isn't fair on 3 potential DILs either to have untrained DHs!!

How much housework do everyone else's big kids do & how do you get them to do it (without bribing or the nagging that goes on & on)? I've tried the calm rational "I can't do everything" approach & the screaming harridan "get off your backsides and help" approach & so far nothing has worked. I can't appeal to their better nature because they don't have one & if I strike they don't care! They are happy to wear dirty clothes & feed themselves from the fridge... Any ideas please...

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CountessDracula · 18/04/2004 17:31

There was an article in the ST about this very subject today, hang on

April 18, 2004

Parenting: Hey kids, it doesn't have to be a chore
Most children would balk at the idea of doing some housework, says Margarette Driscoll, but it can help them as well as their parents

Alisa Zhiteneva is a 15-year-old north London schoolgirl studying for 12 GSCEs. Like her classmates, she knows her French verbs and the rudiments of classical civilisation, but she also possesses skills that many of her contemporaries lack. She knows one end of a vacuum cleaner from another and regularly dusts and cleans.
In the Zhiteneva household, it is a given that everyone has their jobs to do, from doing the washing up to emptying the bins. ?As a young child I was told ?Alisa, wipe the table? or ?Alisa, help unpack the shopping? and after a while these things become a habit,? she says.

?It?s not so much that it?s expected, it seems natural. I actually like washing up. Doing something completely mechanical gives you time to think, which you don?t get if you?re quickly loading a dishwasher. It?s like a train journey; on a long journey you can read a book. On a short one you can?t.?

In case you were wondering, the answer is no: Alisa is not available for adoption, though she certainly sounds like the daughter many of us would like to have. Who hasn?t struggled up the stairs under a mountain of ironed washing while the kids chill out in front of a video?

My two daughters, aged 11 and 8, do precious little around the house and a straw poll of friends and mothers around the office reveals a generation of children who are similarly bone idle. Is it our fault, or theirs?

After all, many over-thirties were brought up to help out with domestic chores and have even found a sense of satisfaction in doing them. Witness Kylie Minogue, the pop star, who earlier this month revealed that she loves to pull on her Marigolds and give her cupboards a good scrub.

Yet, in Britain, we now spend some £4 billion a year on domestic help. Nannies and cleaners are the fastest-growing sector of our economy: working mothers spend 90% of their salaries on keeping the household running. Of an average £864 after tax, £808 goes on childcare and domestic help, including £26 a month on someone to do the ironing, £46 on a gardener and £9 on window cleaners.

Much of the work they do was once done by children. Older friends fondly recall laying the table every night for the family meal, but that presupposes a world in which the family always eats together. Today?s frenetic pace of life means that children and parents eat separately (with the nanny preparing the table for the children) and that working mothers ? like me ? often end up doing housework after 10pm, when the children are in bed and not around either to help or interrupt.

If you lead a busy life, it often seems easier ? and quicker ? to tidy the toys yourself rather than nag at the children to pick them up. But are you doing your children a disservice by giving them an easy life?

?As a parent, you have two jobs,? says Linda Blair, a clinical psychologist working with families at Bath University. ?First, you have to give self-confidence to your children by saying ?I love you?. Second, you have to make yourself redundant.

?As a society, we?re not attending enough to making our children independent. Once, we needed our children to keep us in old age so it was vital to teach them practical skills. Now we have fewer children, later in life and see them as precious and over-protect them.

?Imagine yourself starting out in your first flat, aged 20. Think of all the things you need to know: that?s what you should be teaching your children, and the best way to do it is through giving them practical tasks. They may not like it, but that?s all part of growing up. If they don?t hate you, they?ll never go.?

An American newspaper recently published a guide to the kind of tasks children can perform at various ages. At three, they should be able to clear their toys away into a box. At 14-17 they should be cleaning the shower and toilet and mowing the lawn.

Whether they should be paid for what they do is a moot point. Yes, says Blair: ?Don?t feel guilty ? bribe them. It?s only what they?ll find in the world of work and actually working for what they get will help teach them the value of money.?

But many parents and experts feel differently. My 13-year-old godson is expected to bring his dirty washing downstairs and keep his room tidy but his mother insists his £5-a-week pocket money is ?for nothing, a gift . . . I don?t want him linking the two and thinking he must be paid for every little bit of help he gives?.

Paying children for help is also an approach that leaves psychologist and author Dr Richard Woolfson ?stony cold?. ?The family is not a market economy,? he says. ?I don?t like the idea of a child saying ?I?ll do this or that if you give me 20p but if you don?t give me 20p I?ll sit on my backside and watch you struggle?.?

One of the first questions he asks a family coming to him for help is whether their child helps around the house. ?Usually, the parents just laugh,? he says. ?By and large we don?t expect children to take part, and that?s a shame.?

Woolfson says you should start children on household tasks before the age of 12 ? ?when mum and dad?s approval still matters? ? choosing tasks they can easily complete. ?It will give the child a sense of satisfaction and it says ?I am an active member of the family and helping out?.?

Zhiteneva, who is of Russian descent, does not have a set list of tasks but pitches in with everything, including looking after her younger brother Andrey, 6. ?I do homework with him and play with him to keep him from under my parents? feet,? she says. ?I sometimes cook a roast dinner for the family and if Mum goes to Russia to visit family, I am left as the housewife to run everything.?

She admits it can sometimes be annoying, if she is in the middle of doing homework, to be told to unpack the shopping, but Alisa?s father Andryey, an engineer, says it was a conscious decision to get her involved. ?It?s not only about running the household but about sharing our lives with its ups and downs,? he says.

?Life is about sharing pleasures and responsibilities. I want her to learn that growing up is not just about going shopping and enjoying holidays and choosing food in restaurants. As she takes on more responsibilities, so she gets more rights. We ask her opinion and treat her as an equal and she is shining, in every respect.?

CountessDracula · 18/04/2004 17:31

ROFL at They may not like it, but that?s all part of growing up. If they don?t hate you, they?ll never go.?

suedonim · 18/04/2004 19:28

I rather suspect my offspring get away with murder, but then I try to avoid housework as much as possible myself! I'm not into allocating tasks to each child, I prefer it if they actually help me with what I am doing, such as putting away the shopping, folding laundry etc. Dd1 has a heavy workload of studying for Highers atm so I don't ask her to do much, although she is shaping up to be the laziest of the four of them!

As to your specific problem, Tallulah, I think you've answered your own question, by saying that your family is happy to wear dirty clothes and eat from the fridge. I'd leave them to get on with it, and just do what's necessary to keep yourself comfortable.

Tortington · 19/04/2004 18:01

feck that tallulah. my boy 14 - has a paper round and washes pots and empties the bins - every day. irons playing out clothes too
by other son 11, washes pots cleans kitchen sides and puts washing away, and keeps own uniform spotless for a week. irons playing out clothes. on top of homework in a SATs year

my girlie 11, cleans all sides in front room and takes the cups in and moves papers etc. brushes floor and clears dining room table. puts washing away, irons playing out clothes, keeps uniform clean for a week. on top of SATs year homework.

they make snacks for themselves if they are hungry - sandwiches, soup etc.

me and hubbie do everything else and work our arses off for the little luxuries our spoiled little turdies get - they can damn well earn it. or i will be outside will a cloak and a bell shouting " child for sale".

they tidy their rooms too..sometimes!

Tortington · 19/04/2004 18:08

tut, missed the point completely. i would have a shit fit and throw things and tell them to work out their own chores in the next 15 mins and come to you for them - or they can feck off outside and find somewhere else to live. you are a person and your life doesnt mean your their slave. unless they have a mental or physical reason for not being able to do the chores why the feckin feckpot is it your responsability? feck that

try smashing all the pots each time they are left in the sink and tell them if they act like dogs - they will be reated like dogs - they will no longer have use of the toilet - they canshit in the back garden and eat from a bowl on the floor.

dont buy snack food for a bit so they can't fridge munch.

when i say "jump" the whole house say " yes mum/ darling..how high?"

lou33 · 19/04/2004 18:16

I agree with Suedonim.

My 12 year old tries to stick her bum permanently to either the bed, sofa or pc chair, but it's easier in the end for her to do what I ask, rather than put up with my ever increasing screeching like a fishwife voice.

She can easily manage to clean the kitchen, make her bed, put her clothes in the laundry, tidy her cupboards, hoover, make me a cup of tea (although does it with a roll ofher eyes and a mumble).

DD1 aged 7 has also been trained to do the kitchen to a high standard, and is obsessively tidy about her room, and doesn't need nagging , unlike dd1.

Ds1 is only 5, but he still has to muck in when called for.

Ds2 aged 3 is let off, but only because he can't walk!

When they moan about the things they have to do, I tell them that if they don't want to do it I will stop doing things for them. It shuts them up. I admit yours are older though.

tallulah · 19/04/2004 21:26

Looks like they are in for a nasty shock then...

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suedonim · 19/04/2004 21:38

I've done a straw poll amongst dd1's friends and none of them help around the house any more than she does, it seems. There's obviously no work ethic amongst the young in Scotland. Mind you, they all live in town, where you can employ cleaners - no one wants cleaning jobs out in the sticks.

soyabean · 22/04/2004 15:10

My ds aged 12 clears table, loads and unloads the dishwasher each evening and tidies his room weekly so that the cleaner can get in and hoover. This is a new regime for us, I used to just feel it was easier to do things myself than have 'help' but actually it is fantastic now to be able to leave the kitchen after dinner and go and sort out the younger 2 while he gets on with it.
It is loosely linked with him getting a monthly allowance instead of pocket money, and the responsibility of managing his own cash. But I tried not to make it seem like he was being paid to do those jobs, just that if he wants to be treated in an adult way he has to behave that way too. So far so good.
My dd is 8 and keen to help. I am thinking about what regular jobs would be good for her. She does lay the table for dinner and keep her room tidy.

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