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poor relationship with DH has split the DC into 'teams' (long)

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MrsJackAubrey · 21/08/2014 12:32

I'm sorry this is long. The question is at the end but it's complicated!

DH, DS 16 and DD 16 (twins) and I are on holiday abroad. We both work FT, DH has been a very involved hands-on dad over the years.

DH and I have a low-level relationship - functions well, and sometimes warm, but not loving (no sex for 10 years his preference) and not intimate in any real sense. DH is a conflict avoider and will placate and appease and then run away; I am irritable short fused and emotional. I have become selfish and contemptuous of him, and disgusted with myself. I have moved on from the early years' position of blaming him, and now I blame myself for not leaving years ago when it was clear very early (before DC were born - accidental pregnancy) that we brought out the worst in each other's characters. There's no violence, not much shouting (he avoids it and I've given up shouting at him it's pointless boy is that man stubborn!)

His main role in the house is as a 'butler'- this is not my desire and I hate it, but for example he makes the tea because he won't eat what I cook, he runs the washing machine etc because we are off grid and use a generator and he does not trust anyone to do use it right without blowing the batteries, he runs the kids around with lifts so as not to 'disturb' me.

At home in our groove we rub along - and have some good times too.

On holiday the lid has been blown off. DH is vvvvv antisocial, highly anxious and neurotic. I'm laid back (disorganised, lazy, easygoing). He despises alcohol so i don't drink at home all year. On holiday I do. After a few beers (I was not drunk - far from it sadly) I gave him the wrong direction how to drive to our villa. He blew his top - f'ing this, stupid f'ing woman, shut your f'ing mouth... the kids have never heard this from him - me only two or three times (and he has been provoked in the past, I am NOT an easy woman, or blameless here, I show my contempt and irritation less so now than i used to. There are bits of each other we like - morals and politics, nature, stuff like that. It isn't all bad.)

DS has since about 13 been more on his dad's "side" and DS on mine - they also hate each other, they say. So yesterday was tough for him as clearly for once his Dad was the 'baddie' (usually its me); I spent most of last night in tears tbh getting, at last, good and drunk. DD was horrified and just kept quiet.

Today is GCSE results day. both kids are bright and academic and will do well to very well. However DS did no revision (works v hard AT school but refuses to work OUT of school!) DD works v hard at school and out of it. They are very competitive and I know we're in for trouble - she will hate him if he gets as good or better results than her, as she worked hard and so 'whats the point of working hard'... he will hate her if she does better, but more long lasting will be that he'll think 'fuck it' and stop doing anything at all at school (he tends to expect life to be easy, don't we all, but he's living as though it IS easy!)

So, DS was talking this morning about how he doesn't want to let anyone know his results; how competition is awful, divisive, and basically the scourge of the nation...DH agreed. I said to DH how could he say that, as he's an academic and grades people for a living. I see now that i was disgusted with DH (probably unfairly, i'm just saying my emotional reaction was towards DH not DS, if I'd thought - if I'd only THOUGHT, i'd have seen that DS is bricking it and trying to defend himself against his own anxieties), But what i heard was, 'I'm not going to tell DD my results and she can't tell me' which irritated me - it's hard for me and DH to have to keep their results 'secret' from each other and I know that DD will pressure me like hell to tell her his; and DS will probably not tell me his anyway.

So I was snarly to DH in response to what I saw was him protecting DS at the cost of DD (should she not have a say in this?) and in response to what I heard as weedy capitulation rather than good parenting.

At which DS turns on me, bursting with emotion: I'm the worst person in the world, I'm a fucking bitch, i've ruined his life, he hates me, i'm never to talk to him.... I didn't say a word, and part of me agrees with him. I don't feel angry with him, but with me and his dad; our compromises and accommodations worked okay when the DC were little, but they are now older they see, read, experience, the tensions, the 'codes' that couples have, they are seeing their parents both behaving badly, seeing our incompatibility.

They (all three) have gone on a pre-booked activity for the day - getting their results tonight by text. I'm at the villa trying to make sense of it all.

I think the relationship I have with DH is so poor and the DC so conflicted, that it seems to me I should separate from DH. Them seeing my contempt for him is cruel and bad parenting: them seeing his disengagement from me, his milk-water affection, and his passive-agression towards me, is cruel and bad parenting.

When we get back home we could slide back to 'normality' and see the DC through to leaving home, and probably beyond, with things being 'ok'. But with the undercurrents as described, and with this strong 'mum and DD" and dad and DS affiliations having more negative impact and really damaging their own sibling relationship. And role modelling a pretty crap relationship.

Or do I instigate a separation (DH will never kick me out, too passive and also would believe this to be in kids' worst interest) with all the trauma, blame, practicalities, where do DC live, with me or with DH, does DS live with his dad DD with me? .... oh the horror

I've been on antidepressants since they were born. I have had years of therapy. We tried Relate when DC were tiny, DH refused to go back he said the counsellor was a bitch who was trying to blame him for everything...(all she'd said was his own father sounded difficult...TBH I think DH is a complete fuck up in many ways but then it's very easy just to blame the other person and think they are if not bad, then certainly mad - I know he thinks I'm insane (literally)

I'm sorry this is so long. It's helped no end to write it out though!

I would really value some insight or options from you. Stay and make the best of it, or leave? Which will damage the kids least?

if you got this far then thank you

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FunkyBoldRibena · 21/08/2014 12:50

I think you should sit down with your husband when you get home and have a chat about the future. You are both wasting your lives in a dead relationship. This evidently is not good for the kids.

MagpieMama · 21/08/2014 12:52

I think that your relationship with your DH is having a negative impact on your children. If I was in your shoes I personally wouldn't 'stay together for the kids'.
It comes across in your post that you see your DH as weak and that you have no respect for him. Your children, especially at their age, will pick up on that. It also seems that your son is copying your DH's behaviour towards you.
Only you and your DH can decide what to do for the best and I'm obviously only going on what you've written here but it all sounds very unhealthy.

MrsJackAubrey · 21/08/2014 15:36

you are both absolutely right. I have no respect for him, I have tried and tried but I just don't. I'd say he'd say the same about me.

It is a dead relationship and it is unhealthy. I'll talk to him when we get home if i can make him sit down and talk without getting defensive/aggressive.

thank you for reading and commenting.

They are due back shortly and god knows whether my DS will be talking to me....

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MarianneSolong · 21/08/2014 15:44

Hope the exam results for both children are okay. I think siblings compete with each other. Adolescence is hard. Etc etc. So it's not as if life would be easy if your marriage was a more conventionally close one. But it sounds as if you don't really want to be married any more, even if you recognise that your husband has some good qualities....

pasanda · 21/08/2014 19:08

I think you should seriously think about leaving your DH.

Children, especially older teenage children, see right through the 'staying together for the kids' thing. In my view, it is a pointless waste of your life and your dh's life.

Yes, splitting up is hard and the practicalities enormous obstacles to overcome, but you clearly have no respect for each other and you are risking having no respect from your dc's (particularly ds) if this goes on any longer.

I have friends who are a bit similar to you. She does not love him anymore. They sleep in separate bedrooms. They often communicate via the children. They argue a lot. They are both happy to live like this until the children leave home, so as not to disrupt their lives too much etc etc. But all those dc see is how not to conduct a relationship. The dc are, admittedly a bit younger than yours (13,10 & 6) but they are effectively being 'taught' how relationships are. I think they, too, should split up because of the negative affect it will have on the dc - it is also 'cruel and bad parenting' imho.

The words you use in your OP sum it up for me really - take another look -
snarly
weedy capitulation
contempt
disengagement
passive agressive
complete fuck up
insane

Good luck

eyebags63 · 21/08/2014 21:28

Well he sounds far from perfect himself and there is no excuse for the holiday incident. However the way you think about your "DH" and the comments you make are pretty vile, passanda points that out in the previous post. I hope you don't say similar to his face.

Not only do you not like or love this man but you clearly despise him. Staying together 'for the kids' is doing nothing to benefit anyone. I think you would ALL be happier if you split up and it might hopefully kill off some of the unhealthy division and competitiveness between the DC too.

The GCSE issue is just a manifestation of everything else that is going on IMO.

eyebags63 · 21/08/2014 21:30

You might get better advice in the relationships forum.

MrsJackAubrey · 08/09/2014 19:42

Thank you all so much. Its taken ages to reply but I do so appreciate your taking the time.

I hadn't realised I was speaking about him in such a vile way. Oh lord. At least that gives me something to work on, myself I mean, rather than trying to find the 'reason' outside of me.

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