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DS 14 sobbing himself to sleep.

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Travelledtheworld · 15/08/2014 21:57

We are on a family holiday in a lovely place. But DH has spent all week shouting at and picking on DS who alternates between playing the fool and being a sensible and serious young man. DH really let fly at him tonight. DS left the room and I found him sobbing in bed. He said his father has turned into a nasty person and he hates him.

DH works abroad a lot and doesn't see much of the children. He doesn't understand that you can't make teenagers do things just by shouting at them. He seems to want to be in control of everything. He lost his temper twice with DS twice today, once for no particular reason. I saw the anger in his eyes. He is alienating his children. How do I get him to listen to them and build an adult to adult relationship with them ?

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clairewitchproject · 15/08/2014 22:27

Tell him to read 2 books within the next minth to save your marriage and his relationship with his son:

How to talk so kids will listen (and listen so kids will talk)

Get out of my life, but first take me and Alex into town

These may not be the exact titles but should be near enough to find. You can get them on kindle so if he has one with him he could start right now this evening.

Best of luck. My dh is inclined to be similar.

Travelledtheworld · 15/08/2014 22:28

Daft Thanks. Yes there is a problem with lack of respect on both sides.

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clairewitchproject · 15/08/2014 22:29

Month, not minth....

Travelledtheworld · 15/08/2014 22:30

Good reading suggestions thanks.
Off to bed now, in a different time zone so it's getting late.....
Thanks for support and advice folks.

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LadySybilLikesCake · 15/08/2014 22:32

Ds's father is doesn't live with us, and shouting in ds's face when ds was 11 was the main reason why ds, now 15, doesn't want anything to do with him. Your DH needs to do something before his relationship with his child can no longer be repaired.

Woodenheart · 15/08/2014 22:42

It makes me feel so upset OP, because my mum used to be like that. She would shout and scream at us,

I always wished my dad could come and take us away from her, ( they were divorced) so we could feel safe and not tread on eggshells.

When she was drunk, she would try and cuddle us and I used to flinch, because I couldn't bear her near me.

Im very sure your DH doesn't shout at people at work, they would probably have him reported for it.

I hope you & the DC are o.k.

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secretsquirrels · 16/08/2014 14:46

Oh your poor boy.
No one should ever be shouted at unless it's to prevent an accident.
I think you need to post this in relationships because it's not your DS that is the problem here.

Woodenheart · 16/08/2014 21:07

How was today OP? I hope things are calmer.

Northernsoul58 · 18/08/2014 10:04

Every year we have this same problem on holiday (and at other times too I must add). DH takes at least four days to wind down and stop being 'at work'. He goes into a kind of vicious meltdown which is not his normal way of being. Both me and DS (14) get it in the ear - mostly me - which results in a kind of childish collusion between me and DS (which, when he finally notices the eye-rolling and smirking behind his back, really pisses him off). I have no sympathy for DH, but I do understand, and if he goes for DS I will stop him and tell him off (which annoys him because he feels undermined - tough on you). DS needs putting in his place too sometimes as I have to remind him I am an adult and he is still a 'child' and doesn't have the understanding of his Dad that I have.
Every year I am on the verge of tears and I swear I will never come on holiday with them again. When DH asks 'what shall we do today' my first thought is 'go straight home'. I never say that, I just focus A LOT of attention on DH to get him to wind down and relax and ask him, what do you want from this holiday? Eventually, with a bit of TLC and refereeing we get to a calm and cooperative place and enjoy the rest of our holidays. It is definitely worth the pain and effort since DH and DS invariably end up having a great time together and I even allow them to collude against me; 'Yeah, Mum, you are rubbish at snorkelling' or whatever, as long as I get delicious restaurant meals and sunshine.
It is exhausting though.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2014 10:11

I had a father like this. I have almost no relationship with him now. But perhaps more crucially (for you) I have a very strained and distant relationship with my mother because I blame her for not protecting me from him as I grew up.

have a little think about that.

Theas18 · 18/08/2014 10:23

He works away, doesn't see much if the kids and abuses them when he is there?

What do YOU get out of the relationship? I'd guess money, as working away is usually well paid. If you were to LTB you'd be entitled to support for the kids and spousal support if appropriate.

This is ABUSE it will damage your son. It is far more than a teen playing up and getting shouted at ( which isn't OK but happens)

Travelledtheworld · 18/08/2014 12:47

Northernsoul exactly my experience, DH in stressful job, pushing himself very hard, and it does take him several days to wind down. We really need at least two weeks to get into the routine of all being together.

Eventually we all went out for a meal, and DS, bless him, sat next to his Dad and when they had finished eating gave him a big hug and a blue eyed gaze. DD and I both said, "now look at your son and APOLOGISE to him for being so horrible". Which he did.

Will get him one of those books to read though.

Thanks for the wise advice.

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Northernsoul58 · 18/08/2014 16:03

One of the problems we have on holiday is deciding 'who is in charge of the holiday' IYSWIM. DH is used to being in charge at work and I guess, because he feels we've (very much a joint income thing BTW) paid for two weeks in the sun, we damn well better enjoy it. He wants to wake up and get on with things. Me and DS (especially DS as he is now entering his teenage sleeping late, waking late thing) want just to relax away from home and not have to do anything in particular except mooch about in a new, interesting place.
Long story short, my role (?) is to make sure everyone is happy. But we can't be happy until Dad stops trying to dictate the holiday and everyone's behaviour and takes a back seat - which fortunately he does in the end. In the end he knows he won't enjoy the holiday until he relaxes but it is sometimes quite a trauma before he does.
Do protect your DCs, they really should not be made to cry like that.

manofsponge · 18/08/2014 16:05

sons IMO want any excuse to loathe their dad - am sure is some deep reason for it.
IMO your H wants to make this utterly impossible by being reasonable and fair.

His son is growing up

AnyFucker · 18/08/2014 16:54

I don't think it is anywhere normal for a 14yo to sob themselves to sleep. An 8yo maybe, but 14 ?

OP, your son is doing the appeasing thing. It's what I did for years...I hated and feared my father but still I looked for his approval. It fucked me up, tbh. Don't be fooled that all is well. It is not.

BravePotato · 18/08/2014 17:15

Some wise people on here. I agree it has to do with your DH's own upbringing (and how his father treated him) as well as being away a lot (and therefore, frankly, out of touch with how things are normally done in your home).

I have two sons (10 and 12) and DH can really shout them down at times. He does not seem to be aware at times that he is shouting. I always always always tell him, at the time or after, that he is acting aggressively and that eh escalates problems. The thing is, his own dad was very authoritarian.

My parents were "soft" (not really) lefty parents who treated us pretty much like adults once we started secondary school. They could get angry or (worse) disappointed, but never shouted, instead we talked and talked about everything. They always tried to understand us. We had independence from an early age. My brothers and I all have a good relationship with our parents. We all made mistakes along the way though. But I think you have to let kids make mistakes, and then be there to provide support.

I do worry now the DC get older that our parenting styles are starting to differ.

I always pull DH up on his behaviour, and give him alternatives to deal with it in future. I say I will not undermine him, but neither will I stand by and accept him treating them in an aggressive manner. To me shouting is aggression, to him it is not a big deal. Is that a male/female thing I wonder?

Have a calm chat with DH in the morning, where you don't accuse him, but look for solutions and how to handle these situations in future. Don't leave, or your son will feel he is breaking you up. But do be supportive of him!

Hakluyt · 18/08/2014 17:21

Northernsoul and others- I can see your point of view. But do please be very careful that you're not bringing your children- particularly your daughters- up to believe that it is the role of the woman in the relationship to appease, to smooth over- to be the one responsible for keeping everyone else happy. I can see how it works for you- but you have to think long term,

BravePotato · 18/08/2014 17:29

Good point Hakluyt.

It has taken me years to even recognise I and taken on that role, though it is changing. I have said, and will continue to say: "this is not o.k."

itiswhatitiswhatitis · 18/08/2014 17:50

To be honest your update has made me feel even sadder for your poor ds. Agree with everything AnyFucker said in her last post.

sashh · 21/08/2014 10:52

He will be away again next week.......

And your son will be glad. And that is not a normal parent / child relationship.

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