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18 yr old son shows no respect

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willotess · 23/06/2013 23:34

My 18 yr old son dropped out of school after Christmas before completing his A levels and Btec 3. I'm separated from his father, with whom DS has no real relationship with and refuses to visit (even though he only lives down the road). My ex still gives me a voluntary allowance for our son but is planning to stop this now that he is 18, which is what we agreed when we separated.
This means that it will be just me supporting DS (I have a 16 yr old DD too, who is delightful) and I will find, am finding, it very difficult financially.
I work everyday, am self employed, but only bring in just enough to manage week to week.
My son will not work and will not sign on. He has the run of the house, unlimited access to the food cupboard and fridge yet moans continuously that there is no food for him to eat. (no food means no flat, square boxes in the fridge!)
He had the use of my old studio in the garden to play his guitar and drums, with heating and electrics. He now has mates in the studio most evenings, drinking and smoking fags and weed (insists he doesn't but I can smell it - he says I don't have a clue, that I'm old, 57, and out of touch, but I know the smell of weed..); he also has band practice in there twice a week. Neighbours have complained a couple of times about the drums.
He will take food to the studio or his bedroom, and all my china, cups and cutlery keep disappearing. This weekend we had no bowls, spoons or forks left! Then moaned like hell when I asked him to fetch them to be washed up (...by me!)
He does absolutely nothing in the house - no washing up, tidying or cleaning up the kitchen behind himself and will leave his revolting skidmarks all down the toilet, refusing to clean it. His bedroom is a shit hole - strewn with clothes, 'used' tissue, guitar magazines, art materials and china/left over food - it's knee deep in places.
Yet he has the gaul to keep asking me for money - to go to the pub, to pay his mates some petrol money(ha!), to pay someone back, etc, etc.
He'll mow the lawn occasionally, and I'm stupid enough to pay him a tenner, but he's always asking me for more and tells me how bad a mother I am for not giving him any. More often than not I give in and hand him a fiver just to get him off my back. I know I'm a mug and I know what a lot of you might say, but there are times when there is just a glimmer of niceness and we have a decent conversation, and I think OK you are not a bad lad, but I only have to say one thing out of place and he starts yelling and telling me to shut up.

This is such a long post - sorry - but just wondered if anyone has any suggestions how I insist he finds work, or signs on, therefore getting him out of the house during the day and earning his own money and contributing towards his keep? How do I get him to show more respect for me and my home?

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SodaStreamy · 26/06/2013 18:14

lol well at least make him do the dishes

Being the parent of an older teenage boy is definitely something we are never prepared for

willotess · 28/06/2013 21:53

Ds now has to make a choice - he has a week to sign on or find a job - full or part time, I don't mind as long as he is doing something and helping to pay his way. Failing that he will be locked out of the studio - I bought the lock and padlock yesterday and a pack of security screws so he can't take it off.
@tuttifrootie - it is the verbal bullying, I suppose you'd call it, that upsets me so much. I just don't retaliate or answer him, I can't stand the rows, and then go and shut myself in the loo so he stops following me about!
@SodaStreamy - I haven't threatened him with being chucked out - can't imagine what he might get himself into. I like the idea of sitting down and trying to talk about the situation, though I'm pretty sure it would end with him shouting at me.

I do have another carrot though - I have two Stones tickets, one for me, the other is for him - music is something we do sometimes enjoy together - but I'll take someone else if he doesn't make the right choice this week!

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Chottie · 28/06/2013 22:09

willoress I would not be able to throw my son out either.

Could you make a list of all the behaviour that really upsets / annoys you in order of importance and then work on changing these one at a time?

In several posts you have said how much the verbal bullying upsets you, when he starts can you calmly say you are not prepared to answer or speak to him when he speaks to you like that and then ignore him. When he speaks to you calmly reply only then.

How does he speak to your DD?

p.s. well done on buying the locks

flow4 · 29/06/2013 08:26

"Could you make a list of all the behaviour that really upsets / annoys you in order of importance and then work on changing these one at a time?" - -

Chottie, the idea of identifying priorities is a good one. But I think it's really, really important for parents of challenging teens to realise that you can't change them, they have to change themselves... And you can only change your own reactions to them.

Imo, that's why punishment doesn't work at this age (tho natural consequences may) - they are a parent's attempt to control their teen's behaviour, which is pointless, because they need to control themselves.

As a parent struggling with horrible teen behaviour, I strongly believe that you have to focus on your own behaviour and emotions, because you can change these.

So for example, if a teen is being verbally abusive, like willo's DS (and mine still sometimes), then imo/ime things like stopping an allowance or withholding a privilege do not work. The things that do make a difference include:

  • Learning to detach; thinking of your teen as an 'annoying lodger' when they do things you don't like.
  • Not taking things personally if possible; it isn't personal, it's biological - a natural part (for some teens) of separating themselves from you emotionally;
  • 'Setting an example': modelling the type of behaviour you want from them at every opportunity (and however tempting it is to scream like an outraged teen yourself!)
  • Building a pleasant life away from your teen; making sure you have lots of other positive, fun things going on to sort of 'balance out the cr*p'!
  • Refusing to engage; literally walking away if nec.;
  • Bearing in mind that if they resist what you are doing (e.g. following you when you walk away) then that particular response is working, and you can do it again;
  • 'Speaking your truth' - calmly saying what you feel/think about the situation, and no more, e.g. "I don't like it when you speak to me like that. I'll talk to you about that when you are polite".
  • Recognising you have influence but not control: giving 'moral messages' about things you think are wrong or nasty, but not expecting to stop them now.

I know these things are much easier said than done - this is hindsight talking, and I was quite late learning these things myself, and had an awful lot of trouble with my DS first... But they do help. :)

flow4 · 29/06/2013 08:39

Oh, I forgot one of the most important...

  • Identify your 'bottom line' - the things you absolutely cannot tolerate. Get all the back-up you can to support your 'bottom line', including from the police if it's about your personal safety. This bottom line is the point at which you actually would throw your child out, even if it broke your heart. Once you know this point, and you and your teen know that you actually do have limits, this gives you clarity and strength, I found.
Chottie · 29/06/2013 13:22

flow4 You make some very valid points in your post

willotess · 29/06/2013 21:23

@flow4 - can he come and live with you??

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willotess · 29/06/2013 21:31

Seriously though, flow4, you speak a lot of sense. I am aware I need to change - he isn't the only one who is confrontational. I guess I am too - I hear my self nagging him all the time - the other day it was about adding salt to his pizza! He does point this out to me, and as soon as I say something, I realise it was a trivial nag.
I need to think before I speak - does it really matter if he puts twice as much squash in his glass as he needs?

This still doesn't solve the problem of him not working or contributing towards his keep.......

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flow4 · 30/06/2013 10:54

Haha, willo, only if you have MY arsey 18yo in return! I have long thought that some kind of teenage exchange scheme would be good, because teens are generally fine with other parents, and we're generally better at knowing what to do with other people's kids! Grin

My honest advice about the working/contributing thing is that you have not reached your 'bottom line' yet. You tolerate it. You don't like it, but you like it more than the only other alternative within your control, which is throwing him out. And he knows it. Hmm

I'm not offering this advice cos I think I'm a fantastic parent... I'm experienced and battle-scarred, and speaking with the benefit of hindsight...

My own DS had a bone idle period last year. He left school with enough GCSEs to do A levels or another level 3 course, but low confidence, and enrolled on a level 1 course. His attendance dropped from 2.5 days/wk, which was what the college counted as full time, to 1 day/wk over the year, and I got increasingly frustrated and desperate.

Then the course finished in May, and he did nothing constructive between then and Sept. He was worse, it sounds, than your DS... He was taking m-cat/mephedrone as well as skunk, stealing from me, being violent, getting arrested, and hanging out with seriously dodgy people, including dealers and 2 who have since been convicted for manslaughter and murder Shock. By this time last year I was utterly desperate and threw him out twice, but there was literally nowhere for him to go except to the people I wanted to keep him from, so I let him come back.

I had a light at the end of my tunnel, so to speak, which was college re-enrollment in Sept. I told him all through the summer him he had until term started to get a job if he didn't want to study, but that I would not support him to do nothing. Then enrollment day came, and he announced he wasn't going, and that he planned to spend his life on the dole.

I knew I could not stand any more. Literally could not stand it - it was making me ill. My bottom line was reached. I told him in the Fri he had until Mon eve to get a job or enroll in college, or I would throw him out. He told me he couldn't possibly get a job that quickly; I told him that might be true, but he had had 4 months' warning, so my deadline stood. He got arrested on the Mon and spent the afternoon in the cells; I told the police I had set him a deadline and asked if they could kindly release him in time to get to college enrollment, or I would have to throw him out. They did. DS protested I couldn't possibly expect him to enroll after a day like that; I insisted I did. He protested all the way to college, but he went...

It was a turning point. DS got onto a course he wanted, and has turned things round: he has worked hard, done well, cleaned up his act, and has been volunteering as well as studying. This summer he will be working there, unpaid, but getting relevant experience and being constructively engaged. :)

That day last Sept, my bottom line was reached. I knew throwing him out would be awful, but it would be less awful than continuing to live the way we had been living the past few months.

I don't think you're at that point yet willo, and your DS knows it. When you decide throwing your DS out is a less awful option than continuing to live the way you are living, you'll be able to be clear with him about that. How long do you think you can stand things the way they are? If not forever, then I suggest you set him a deadline too... And if you're wiser than me, you'll set it for before you make yourself ill...

Meanwhile, if you're not throwing him out today at your bottom line yet, you need to change the way you respond, as I described in my previous post, and look after yourself... :)

wundawoman · 30/06/2013 11:44

Gosh, what a story, flow!! That's amazing how you stuck to your guns and your ds finally enrolled, after so much drama!!!

I can imagine how difficult it must have been to go through that... But we'll done to you, you are strong!

We had a huge argument with our ds at 18, he stormed out of home, stayed with relatives for a week, then came back. It was basically all about following house rules if he wanted to continue living there. It was an awful time but he is now 23 and works hard, loves his job and is totally independent!!

MrsSJG · 02/07/2013 22:46

I'm in this boat at the moment with my DS who is almost 18, dropped out of college and would do hardly anything in the house, except make a mess of it, eat, sleep and spend most of his day on games. He went to stay with my mum last week in Cornwall and when I dared to say he needed to come back home in five weeks as he needed to look after the dog, he threw his dummy out of his pram (alongside my mother) and told me he wanted to stay down there for longer. I told him he needed to start sorting his life out, either go back to college or get a job, to which point he has had a right fit and I told him to stay where he was and my mother could deal with him, (apparently I'm being too hard on him) Shock
Dd1, who also was on holiday with DS1 has returned tonight, with the same attitude and told me social services were going to put her in a flat by herself and pay all her rent, as I am being mean for saying that all she has to do from now on in the house is go to college, but if she didn't want to help me out any longer that I would not being giving her any more money when she wanted it, they both had £40 each between Monday and Tuesday of last week from me!

willotess · 04/07/2013 01:24

@flow4. Wow you have been through it. You are a much stronger woman than I. Are you on your own, or is there a DH around too?
My Ds was pretty awful when my ex (his dad, who took little interest in his son) was around and I really thought he would improve after our separation (my choice), but in fact he has got worse.
He speaks to me just like he used to speak to his dad, (and how his dad used to speak to me)! A total lack of respect.

Any hoo....Ds came in from spending a bit of time with a pretty respectable, hardworking, soon to go to uni, friend this afternoon - who just happens to work part time at Ds's old school cleaning. Ds said he had applied for a job there too (we'll see) but had spent the afternoon talking to his old graphics teacher, whom he had a lot of respect for. Ds was quite chatty and excited about some ideas the teacher had for Ds to make a bit of money from his illustrations, and actually asked me for help selling them on my craft stall and online shop. I haven't seen him so animated in ages and it was so nice!

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pottybird · 12/07/2013 14:55

Thank God I found mumsnet and this thread-I was going out of my mind with worry over exactly the same situation. Now, having read the replies, and taken on board what you say, I have just 'grown a pair' and laid down some 'rules of the house' which, if disrespected, will result in him being asked to leave, that has been made quite clear.
He came back with all the things posters have previously reported - he wasn't even original, but with your words ringing in my ears, I stayed calm, reasonable and clear headed - I'm not crying after a run in with him for once!
It 'aint gonna be easy, but I feel empowered at last.
Thankyou all.

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