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Teenage sons' sexual behaviour

46 replies

crackerjackie · 01/07/2012 01:22

Hi guys, new on here, first post, reason I joined really...
It's about my sons' sexual behaviour, and my reaction to it...not sure how to preface it, so will just get on and explain situation. They are both 18, twins. They have never been particularly close, or I should say particularly friendly, at least for most of their lives. I think they resent being twins and so on, as kids they used to antagonise each other but as they reached early adolesence this just turned to avoiding one another (to my relief). Anyway, when they were 15 one of them got into quite a lot of trouble and spent several months in YO. Despite them never being close before this was hard for both of them, and when he came out their relationship was a little warmer, though he was then 2 years behind his brother in school and they still were not what I would call "friends", though their relationship was more friendly than before.

However, several weeks ago my youngest son (he is 16), who is quite close to the twin who was in prison, got in trouble, along with the same twin. There was a girl involved (she is not the reason for the trouble, not directly). Anyway, cut a very long story short a lot of things came out about my children, namely the twins, and their relationship, which as their mother, have stunned me.

It turns out they have been playing some sort of sex games, if you want to call them that, and they regularly meet up on nights out with their friends and "share" the girls they have pulled, or go on the prowl (for want of a better expression) together. They will go off and have sex with this girl, together. Quite sadistic sex too, from what I can gather.

They are both 18 and so perfectly legal, and as far as I am aware these girls have all been consenting. My problem is that I do not know how to handle this situation. I came by this information initially from my youngest son, who confessed that he was jealous of his brothers' sexual activity and had wanted to get in on the act, so to speak. I have spoken to one twin about this (the one who has been in YO) and he quite cheerfully confirmed it, and embellished me with a few more parts when I questioned him (he has always delighted in shocking people, esp me). The other twin has gone off to university in another city, while his brothers remain in their second last year of school. He comes back regularly and these games carry on when he returns. I do not know how or if, to approach this with him. He has always been the "better" of the twins, has never been in trouble like his brother, top of the class, deputy head boy, sporty, well behaved, sort of a dream child in a way. It disturbs me to learn that my sons have indulged in such behaviour, and also that it seems to be having an effect on their younger brother, who is aware of it. As I said, I know they are of age and I am not aware of any of their behaviour being against anyone's consent and so from that perspective, there is nothing I can do to stop them. I know they are young and exploring their sexuality, and I feel it would be hypocritical of me to be too harsh as I was young once too and have experienced my fair share of kink. What upsets me however is how predatory their behaviour seems to have been, how calculated and controlled, not spur of the moment youthful recklessenss, and also how regular an occurrence this was (/is). I know drugs and alcohol have been involved which also concerns me, as though I said all the girls were, as far as I know, consenting, I cannot help but wonder how impaired their judgement may have been, and how possible it is my sons may have preyed on this fact. Please help, this is a deeply disturbing thing for me as I'm sure you can appreciate. Just typing this has been hard. I do not know what to do, how I should go about confronting my sons about this and what I should do or say, including my younger son who thinks the world of his older brothers. I have not yet spoken to their father of this (we are together) because he is sick, and I do not know how to tell him. I have always been the liberal parent, he is very conservative, quite moral and religious, with quite a high powered job, and this would tear him apart. I just do not know what to do, I feel completely lost and in shock. I feel I have failed at being a parent, though I have tried my hardest, and wonder if my more liberal parenting has had an effect, though I always impressed upon them respect of women and sex and relationships, or so I thought. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated, please I just do not know what to do.

OP posts:
happyAvocado · 01/07/2012 22:50

bdsm is a conscious decision not usually practised by teenagers still at school. - I would not say that's 100% accurate for all young people
so far OP didn't give descriptive details of what was said

lack of consent can make one of those situations into rape accusation - I don't know if those boys know about it?

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happyAvocado · 01/07/2012 23:02

sorry - above reply was for a different thread :)

wimbledonisfuckingdull · 02/07/2012 06:37

Shock at your son's actions.
Surely they must see their behaviour (drugging girls) to have sex with them is not a normal thing to do.
IMO, this will come and bite them on the arse. Soon.
Not sure what you can do though I am afraid.

thebackson12 · 02/07/2012 14:23

Just thinking do your sons respect their dad more than you?

Children do often look up to their gender role models. as much as he is conservative do you think they may ,listen more to him.

MaisOui · 02/07/2012 21:55

Ok, I hope this doesn't sound unsympathetic but I am really shocked at this - I think your son (who is telling you these details to shock, or whatever) is behaving disgustingly and showing a terrible lack of respect for women. Firstly, he is happy to distress you by telling you details such as this - does he generally treat you with such disrespect?

Secondly - this shit about the girls being part of the bdsm community, etc: can we remember that these are potentially drunk/drugged 16 yr old schoolgirls? Vulnerable young girls who are being targeted by two (possibly older) boys who ply them with alcohol and drugs and then consent to them doing all sorts to them?

I am not meaning to sound like a screaming prude, I believe in sexual freedom between consenting adults but you can be damned sure that most people I know who have a daughter who could come home and tell them this would not be writing it off as 'all the young people are doing it these days!' teenage experimentation. I think they would be very quickly starting to use words like rape and grooming and a lot of other terms which would be very difficult for your sons to defend themselves against.

In addition, I am a teacher (and I hear a lot about the ups and downs of teenage relationships and all the normal stumbling blocks of emerging sexuality!) and if I heard any of the girls (or boys) telling me this, I would be causing an unholy shit-storm regarding child protection, etc as I would regard this as really disturbing behaviour.

OP, I am not saying this to distress you any further; I really feel for you. However, that twisting feeling in your gut that is shining through in your posts is entirely right. Something is wrong here, and you owe it to your sons and whatever girls they are involving in this activity to make sure that they understand, at the very least, that there are dangerous grey areas here.

Tell them this. Tell them you are upset. Then tell them that the reason you fear they are not showing young girls respect is because they are not showing you any by gloating about questionable motives and methods to you.

Tell their dad before the police turn up.

Best of luck, I genuinely feel for you.

sashh · 03/07/2012 05:00

Also, I don't know how or if I should broach this subject with their father

"It's possible two of your sons are rapists" - should grab his attention.

OK you are a parent, it is your job to look out for your sons so you need to do this.

They are adults, sex is part of adult life. Some unusual practices are part of that for some people (which is why they are unusual).

Giving a girl drink and drugs in order to get her to consent is rape. One of them having sex after the other means only one of them may have got consent.Look up the Ched Evans' case.

Identical twins can be a real turn on for some people, but if a girl / woman is drunk does she know she is consenting to two different people?

With the son who went to YO, is he on the sex offendor's register? You need to remind him that if he is in court again he could be looking at 10 years. Is it worth it for a thrill?

You need to also talk to them about porn. Porn is not real life and if that is where they have got their sex education from they need to be reeducated.

You also need to talk to them about women and their attitudes. Are they seeing the girls/women as a comodity? Are they treating them as equals who are experimenting?

You can do this, and so can their father.

BTW where are they having sex?

greenblue · 03/07/2012 08:30

Spot on maisoui

boredandrestless · 03/07/2012 09:19

I actually feel a bit sick after reading this. Sad

The two of them are plying girls (just one girl against the tow of them) with booze and drugs, then both having sex with her. So I am assuming double penetration occurs to these young women/girls while she is off her face and they are in control.

Along with one of your twins previous convictions a very disturbing picture is being painted.

Do not ignore this. Tell their father. Take further advice.

What if you had a DD this had happened to? Or what if a stranger's 18 year old son told you he was doing this? You'd be on the phone to the police wouldn't you?!?!?

thebackson12 · 03/07/2012 09:41

Secondly - this shit about the girls being part of the bdsm community, etc: can we remember that these are potentially drunk/drugged 16 yr old schoolgirls? Vulnerable young girls who are being targeted by two (possibly older) boys who ply them with alcohol and drugs and then consent to them doing all sorts to them?

If that's aimed at me I specifically said I assumed that at first and then on hearing further details changed my assumption, that's what happens when information is dripfed.

16 year olds can be part of that but its possible these aren't. Plus please remember to be sensitve to the OP this is a very sensitive subject.

Sandalwood · 03/07/2012 10:09

It sounds like someone other than you needs to talk with them, and their dad's too unwell really.
I don't know who would be a good person, who they respect. (Maybe even some sort of professional). But they need to understand the implications of what's going on and take it seriously.

greenblue · 03/07/2012 13:25

Does your son have a probation/ youth offending worker OP? Or did he have one previously. They might be well placed to speak to your sons, or at least point you in the direction of someone who can.

MaisOui · 03/07/2012 13:32

Sorry,thebackson I really wasn't aiming it at you and I worded that quite strongly out of a sense of panic, I suppose. I understand the OP needs sensitive advice - I really didn't want my post to be misinterpreted as ranting disgust at sexual activity iyswim. Not entirely successful in trying to walk the line between calm advice and a real desire to help the OP see that this isn't a clear cut case of consensual adults and BDSM, etc. Apologies again for this.

I was just concerned that the OP quite understandably may be desperate for us to reassure her that this is something that is quite normal, if a little icky for a parent to imagine. I think that it would be letting her sons down to not help them realise that (if we are assuming the most innocent motivations possible - which I don't, quite honestly) this situation has the potential to go very badly and dangerously wrong, ending up with two young men in prison for rape. And a little brother, mother and father who have to live with that.

I am (reluctantly) leaving the repercussions for the girls in this out of it for the moment.

I hope you find the courage to deal with this, OP Sad

thebackson12 · 03/07/2012 13:43

Its okay MaisOui, I'm just aware people on here especially here especially can get very erm funny about these things, which I understand but just hope that people understand what it must be like for the mother.

wimbledonisfuckingdull · 06/07/2012 06:10

I hope the OPs silence is an indication that she is seeking help.
My DD is 11, the idea that she may meet a couple of boys like that in the next five years or so fills me with horror.
She is my PFB and an only though.

DrunkenDaisy · 06/07/2012 12:39

My daughter is nearly 16. If she told me that anything like this had happened to her or her friends, I would without doubt be involoving the school and the police.

Most girls that age are desperate for a boyfriend and affection. What your sons are doing is grooming, sexual abuse and potentially rape.

I feel sick that there are boys like that out there. How can you be so blase that this is how they see women?

Christ.

cory · 06/07/2012 12:53

One of the twins has openly admitted that he thinks it is a good idea to spend money on getting the girls drunk while he himself stays sober. I just can't find any spin on that that is not predatory.

I feel very sorry for the OP, but she must make it clear to her sons that she, and any decent person, can see just how vile this is- and how likely to end in a police case.

If I knew for a fact that this was going on and had clear evidence, I would report my own son to the police rather than let some young girl's life be ruined.

lastnerve · 06/07/2012 13:40

I feel sick that there are boys like that out there. How can you be so blase that this is how they see women?

She is not blase if she was she wouldn't be on here asking for help , she'd be sticking her head in the sand.

you must understand this is difficult for her?

DrunkenDaisy · 06/07/2012 14:01

She seems fairly fucking blase to me.

Sorry, I know this must be hard, but something seriously needs to be done. One of the girls' parents will find out and there will be hell to pay.

lastnerve · 06/07/2012 14:10

Why does she sound blase?

Why would she put herself in the position of getting torn a new one, if she was that blase? she wouldn't she would pretend its not happening.

people like you are the reason I was so against the idea of this thread being relocated, its just essentially open season on an already vulnerable poster.

I really can't imagine being brave enough to post something like this on a public forum.

Sorry you have to tolerate that OP.

DrunkenDaisy · 06/07/2012 15:24

Ok fair enough, I apologise.

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