DD17 caught trying to get into club with fake ID

[sarva]

Hi, my daughter is scared she may be prosecuted as the bouncers said she was in a lot of trouble and took her details and confiscated the friend's ID she was using. They've said the friend needs to come in and pick ID up, but she is abroad studing at the moment. I'm hoping they were just trying to scare her (it worked!) but won't be any L-T consequences - it was first time she's done it and she was very honest when they challenged her and didn't make a fuss. Any thoughts?

My Dh used to be a bouncer,if they called the police and investigated every false Id thered be riots .......they were just being scarey - its not like shes 13 or anything.

Probably if you ring during the day and arrange to pick up the Id they will just give it you.

Dont worry.

Honestly, don't worry. She hasn't committed any offence, so there won't be any long term consequences.

Some bouncers think they're God almighty, when they're just guys on minimum wage with an attitude problem (according to my ds (17) who works the door on underage clubs )

Don't worry, the police are hardly going to get involved in this. Just arrange to go with the friend to collect the ID. We used to do this kind of thing all the time!

its fine my ds has done this

Thanks so much for reassurance. She's still stressing as owner of ID isn't able to go in and sign for it within 10 days as she's abroad. I've offered to phone them and explain, but she doesn't want me involved. All seems a bit OTT - bouncer took her into a room on her own and he searched her bag and made her go on her fb page on her phone - to prove she was giving correct name etc. I think she was just unlucky - she's friends who've just been just turned away at the door and told not to come back. I think your ds has got it completely right mumblechum!

I would phone the venue and ask to pick up the ID. I would also complain about your DD's treatment. Ok so yes she shouldn't have tried to get in BUT they shouldn't have taken her into a room on her own or made her give away personal info.

I think you definitely need to get involved and phone the club's manager, sarva. I think the way the bouncers behaved may well have been illegal (threatening behaviour? unlawful detention? assault? I don't know... Maybe it's just dodgy...) and certainly puts your daughter at risk. Bouncers can be pretty frightening characters (present company excepted!) and I definitely wouldn't want one of them having my child's personal info - or my own, for that matter. The staff concerned need to be warned very, very clearly that they cannot keep her personal info and they cannot ever contact her.

God that sounds awful and I agree with both Melody and Flow that you should say something to the club. He should not have taken your dd into a room and asked her for those details. He is not a policeman. Your poor dd.

Bouncer's on a power trip. All he needed to do was say 'no, you aren't coming in'. He has no right to take her friend's ID - that's theft, it doesn't belong to him. (Doesn't belong to dd either, obviously, but two wrongs don't make a right.)

Pub owner here. Police are having a major crack down nationally on fake ID at the moment. I have just been given my info pack on it, all several million pages of it slight exaggeration.

What we have been told to do is take any fake ID and pass it on to the police. If it is a fake they investigate and destroy, if it is someone elses they have to collect from the police station. The parents will be contacted.

Basic rule is no ID no entry. Its up to us if we deem the ID to be good enough, I may well have refused legitimate 18 yr olds who's ID I didn't accept, but I/we make pour decision based on the card/passport put into our hands, nothing else.

What the bouncers did was ridiculous. They have the right to search -WITH PERMISSION. If your dc refused she is at liberty to walk away. You can say I will only let you in if I can search your bag. The choice is then theirs but bouncers/managers are not police and we have no right to search.

We rareky search, don't have much of a drug problem, but every now and then the police crack down on that and make sure we are making random searches. When we do search, I seach the women and the bouncers search the men. We do it at the door, certainly not hidden away.

Complain to the club and the SIA about that bouncer. Contact the police about getting the ID returned. tell them the club confiscated it and are refusing to return it. Again pub managers/bouncers have no legal power to withold them.

They do confiscate IDs edam so it can't be theft as it is standard practice. In our area (holiday town) they take the IDs and they have to be collected from the police station after 24hrs,

Theft is taking something that doesn't belong to you. They may be getting round this by saying a. some fake ID doesn't belong to the person using it (as in this case) or b. even if it does, you can pick it up from the police station, so there's no intent to permanently deprive someone of their possessions. BUT I'm not sure about the legality of bouncers taking something, rather than a sworn officer. Bouncers have no more authority than a member of the public - no right to search anyone without their consent, no right to detain anyone, no right to do anything at all without your consent.

Just because the police are lending support to this scheme doesn't make it OK. Public authorities do sometimes act outside their powers until someone challenges them. However, I guess most people wouldn't want the hassle and expense of challenging it, so they will carry on.

DD begged me not to get involved, so I've not contacted club. Mum of girl with ID is collecting it from club. DD is banned from all clubs in city in the scheme - all of them - until a year after she turns 18, so her 19th birthday! She's taking it very well, but feel so sorry for her, but not much I can do as I've checked and it is a bona fide scheme here. Just seems very harsh.

It's not the scheme that concerns me, but the fact that these particular bouncers over-stepped their role and compromised your daughter's personal safety. If you are not contacting the club, I think your daughter probably needs to change her Facebook password, username and pic, and change her mobile number if they got that. :(

Sorry, but I would be complaining to the club with regards to her being taken in to a room on her own etc etc

Bouncer could have assulted her, anything really, and it would be his word against hers.
I wouldnt care if she doesnt want you to be involved, involved I would be!!