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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

How, exactly, do you "keep loving" your wayward teen?

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phdlife · 29/03/2012 22:53

My 15yo niece is going off the rails rather spectacularly - see here

Her parents and I are really struggling to understand how to handle it. So far, they have always been crystal about their boundaries and expectations, but DN is simply refusing to abide by any of them. Dsis has been advised by police and iirc the youth worker who's involved that it's time to try "tough love", not giving her money etc, and they've been trying to dissociate themselves by not doing DN's washing etc. when she is home.

But it seems to me that DN is not in a place where she can respond to any of this. She's not behaving out of malice but pain and an inability to handle that - it seems to me she's exactly like my 2yo and 4yo having their meltdowns; that you can't be rational with someone who's in an irrational state. It seems to me that she simply cannot behave any better than she presently is, and to continue laying down boundaries (thou shalt not drink, etc) is to continue to set DN up for failure. Refusing to do her washing must be, to her, tantamount to saying "we are not going to care for you any more" - and while DN has for months been screaming that that is exactly what she wants, I don't believe her.

Her parents are frightened that if they let DN carry on, or support her with money or lifts here and there, that not only will they be breaking the law (supporting, for instance, underage drinking) and setting a bad example for their 12yo ds, they are also "giving in". They don't want to support a 15yo dropout drinking, smoking and sleeping around under their roof; they can only see this behaviour as further harming her and think that if she would just go back to school and live by their rules she could start getting better. My dh also sees it as DN "getting it all her own way".

And to be fair I can kind of see their point - if DN was just acting out, without all the massive reasons for mental and emotional trauma that she's been through. And although I've thought about offering DN a room if she would rather not be staying away, I'm also not particularly keen on having a drinking, smoking teen bringing an array of boyfriends home to my two littlies.

Equally I'm aware, I've got no more idea than my sister how to handle this: do you really keep giving her money, knowing it goes on fags and booze and transport to the sorts of parties that get shut down by police? Do you really just keep her phone on your plan, when she's been running up hundreds of dollars of texts and refusing to come home? Do you really do her washing and ironing when she turns up and dumps it once a week?

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joanofarchitrave · 29/03/2012 23:10

bumping for you Sad

Maryz · 30/03/2012 09:00

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ThatllDoPig · 30/03/2012 09:04

maryz you are amazing.

Haven't got teenagers yet, but some indications that it is on its way and the road ahead doesn't look pretty.
Hope your DN comes through this soon OP

saggarmakersbottomknocker · 30/03/2012 09:16

I can't add anything more to maryz's wise words. I think the last bit is very important though - for some teens tough love works, for others it doesn't and the difficult bit is finding what works for you, your teenager and the rest of the family. It can be a tough road to get to that.

I also find that gin helps. A lot.

Bletchley · 30/03/2012 15:11

Try to think that love is a verb, not a noun. It's what you do for her that counts. I'd do the washing, myself, I think.

WillIEverBeASizeTen · 30/03/2012 19:54

Maryz you make a very good point about the detachment. I find it very difficult to tolerate this young man in my house who does nothing and expects everything. I wouldn't tolerate it from a friend,colleague,family member etc, however, I LOVE this person even though I don't care for him much.

I have, of late, been looking forward to the well balanced, polite individual I pray he grows up to be. He is only 14 so I have a long road to travel just yet, he is basically a nice boy, I just hope the fundamentals are there instilled and will eventually surface.

It is hard though, very hard...

flow4 · 31/03/2012 13:09

I'm not at all sure whether I love my son at the moment. I certainly don't like him. I can only manage the detachment Maryz talks about (and I agree would save me a lot of grief) for brief periods of time, probably when I'm in shock. I loved him very much, so I am hanging on in there in hope that he/we will come through this, and I will be able to love him again. I know for sure I wouldn't want anything at all to do with a 25-30 year old behaving the way he has been behaving at 16, so I am doing what I can to try and influence him to be am adult I will want to know. I hope and believe that, even if you can't stop the bad behaviour, you can continue to be a moral influence.

Brightspark1 · 31/03/2012 18:49

I don't feel that there is a choice or an option. I gave birth to DD and there is an elemental bond there which is unbreakable. At the same time I am trying to accept that she can't live with us at the moment, and her behaviour over the past year has been indescribable. Being scared of your own DD is a horrible place to be... But I still love her dearly, nothing can change that.

phdlife · 01/04/2012 12:40

thanks all for sharing that with us. I think my dsis is struggling so much with bewilderment - how the hell did this happen, in just a few short months? surely it's not real - terror for her dd's safety, anger at being treated this way, bafflement that her dd is so far out of reach, and so on - it has been a fast, brutal slide and I think they're wondering how to love her when she's rejecting every aspect of their lives, values, parenting and love.

maryz I agree some kids don't respond to tough love - my oldest is only just shy of 5 and already I know it wouldn't work with him - I don't think it's working for my DN either, but her parents are struggling to get their heads round another way of thinking about it, ie seeing her behavior as caused by misery rather than malice. Funnily enough, I can see that more easily than they can, not just because I'm more distanced from it and she's not my dc, but also because I see identical behaviours from my 2yo dd, just smaller and less dangerous.

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Brightspark1 · 01/04/2012 22:14

If it's any consolation, and it probably isn't, I feel the same bewilderment and confusion, DD's meltdown happened so fast and so completely. I know exactly what you mean by the misery v malice thing. DD has always been really upset and remorseful after the event, whether it be running away, trashing the house or attacking me, but it didn't stop her doing it again, again and again. And I feel so rejected , especially as she has been so much better since she has been away from us, not just behaviourally but she seems more relaxed and healthier which is good to see, but I don't understand why she found being at home so stressful.
I think the only thing is to separate the behaviour from the person, and remember happier times, and hope for happier times ahead.
Your Dsis is lucky to have you on her side, even if you can't do anything about the situation, she obviously has your support.

PavlovtheCat · 01/04/2012 22:21

PHDlife, there is a lot in what you say about the meltdowns being similar to your 4yo. That is because they are.

A teenager's brain actually changes in puberty. They disregard the stuff they no longer need, the brain actually gets rid of those neurons/pathways/whatever they are called and replace them with new 'adult' pathways. This is actually a traumatic and difficult thing to cope with, the same as a 4yo developing them for the first time, and the resulting 'meltdowns' due to overload of emotions etc, the same is happening to a 14/15 year old, new emotions to learn and process and overload a lot of the time, added to this the hormones and improved vocabulary (nor not!) of a teen.

I will see if I can find some research about it to explain it better than me. It might help to find a way to accept, even if you cant 'change'. I know it is not as simple as giving a hug or saying 'this too shall pass' as they are not 4/5, but finding a way to bring them back in towards you, even if they push away, as the ride through this huge rollercoaster of brain change.

I probably make little sense. I will go find something.

PavlovtheCat · 01/04/2012 22:25

is more i will get some links that might show some of the research findings. You might already know all this, so if you do, I shall get my coat...

PavlovtheCat · 01/04/2012 22:26

some interesting links on the right

phdlife · 02/04/2012 06:37

Pavlov thanks for that - you made plenty o' sense :) - and we did already know it, having both read quite a good book on the topic - but it is still so hard. Because now she can do so much more damage to herself than my much younger dc's. Dsis is so terrified for her daughter's very life, she is finding it hard to go for that option that says "back away", which is probably the best thing she could do at this stage. thanks too for the links. I'll start workin through them...

brightspark I know dsis is feeling the same as you - DN insists she is safer and less likely to self-harm away from her parents, but the evidence does not point to that so far. :(

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