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19yo on anti depressants - keeps reinventing herself

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wabbit · 26/03/2011 16:17

My dd is again on anti depressants and has given up yet another college course. She is enacting a pattern that has been going on for years now, since secondary school which she left before she entered Yr 11.

I agreed to her leaving school because of the amount of time I was being called into school to mediate between her and teachers and her and other pupils. She became impossible to get up in a morning - I really do mean impossible, as a single mum I had absolutely no way of moving her physically, she was bigger than me and would intimidate me, and my little boy, her baby brother if she didn't get to stay at home or do what she wanted to do.

At this point though I wasn't so aware of how much of a bully she was, it's only hindsight and the fact that it has been going on for years that I can see what she's been doing.

Two years ago she started an introductory Btec diploma in art and design and by the second term she was doing so well she was given an award for her contribution to the course and her commitment. The following sept she started the First Diploma in Art and Design and from what I could see, her relationships with tutors and students began to fail and she gave up at the end of the first term. She spent hours and hours in her bedroom, became argumentative and bullying in the home and started the cycle that she'd set up at school all over again.

DD reinvented herself last year, changing from wanting to be a tattoo artist - the reason for leaving her course which 'wasn't getting her anywhere' to becoming a Young Farmer Confused In the September she started an agriculture course and for the first half term was getting on fantastically, loving the work and enjoying getting good marks, then she fell out with some of the girls on the course and with one tutor in particular. DD was so vile to one girl that the girl left the course. Facebooking became a huge problem as what happened at college would continue on into the night over the net and DD made quite a few enemies.

This resulted in DD getting a warning from the college this February that unless she undertook an anger management and went back on anti-depressants she would be kicked off the course. She hasn't been back since and the college have now assumed that she has left the course.

I don't really have much experience with depression but DD's swinging from being idle and insolent to loving and motivated is so extreme that I do not recognise it as depression.

I suspect that she's also been looking at symptoms of depression on the net, and been using search results to make excuses for her not going back to college. eg: she can't stand large crowds or being in a confined space with a number of people - Oooh look, I can't use public transport and can't get to college.

Despite this, she used the megabus to go down to London to visit her Dad two weeks ago and spent every night out with a group of friends she made down there.

Her latest reinvention of herself is into a street-wise, hard edged, hooped ear-ringed South London black girl - her Dad kicked her out after a week and after bumming on sofas for a few days she came home, unannounced and so edgy I wish she wasn't about.

Thursday night I poked my nose into her bedroom to ask her to be a little quieter on web-cam as DS was going to bed, seeing that she hadn't unpacked her case or put away a basket of washing I reminded her about this - MAJOR objection which resulted in her ordering me out of her room and calling me a 'F+ing Prick' Hmm So I told her that she couldn't talk to me that way, came downstairs and disabled the internet.

HUGE objection (not surprised this time as I knew it would get her attention) I said she could have access if she apologised. DP backed me up and got told not to interfere, I said he was backing me up as he was entitled to do so, being my partner. She threatened to smash up my computer and all the car windows, I told her that if she caused ANY criminal damage I would call the police to which she replied that she could take being arrested and spending a night in a cell just to see my face.

At this point, I rang my mother who has a very good relationship with DD as she doles out money on demand and is in many respects very similar to DD.

Knowing I was on the phone to her Nana, DD retreated upstairs and later left the house. I have not seen or heard from her since. Mum tells me that she's with a friend.

I wish she'd leave for good.

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GypsyMoth · 26/03/2011 16:24

pack her stuff then......get her to go

sounds like shes a bit confused about herself tho

BestNameEver · 26/03/2011 16:28

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wabbit · 26/03/2011 16:29

Where would she go though? Mum wouldn't have her, her Dad wont have her, she wants to go, and wants her mummy all to herself too.

She's got the emotional maturity of a toddler.

Funny you saying 'pack her stuff' - sends shivers down my spine, I want her to go but I couldn't leave her homeless. It would have to be her choice, at the moment anyway.

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wabbit · 26/03/2011 16:32

Yes, I think she's got issues, serious ones, but I don't think anti-depressants are going to 'fix' anything and when she saw a psychologist last year she was told that she behaved like a spoilt brat.

Which she does, but it's not just that. She's got real problems with forming and keeping relationships going. She has to re-invent herself to slide into another group of people, each new group brings about a new DD Sad

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wabbit · 26/03/2011 16:38

She was a lovely little girl, it wasn't until she started at secondary school, which must have been quite unnerving as we moved house and area too that she became unhappy and refused to go to school. At this school she was ostracised by her whole form and had to endure taunting throughout her two years there.

I moved her to a much more understanding school where pastoral care was a real focus of the schools ethos, I forged very good relationships with her teachers yet her behaviour remained the same as if she was in a school that couldn't meet her needs emotionally. Which I do not believe. She continued to have problems with other pupils.

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GypsyMoth · 26/03/2011 16:42

has she always been this way tho?

maybe she needs the shock,shape up or ship out?

wabbit · 26/03/2011 16:50

She's been like this for the last 6 years or so at least.

She does need someone putting their foot down and saying NO and having to take NO for and answer - a concept that because of her relationship with her Nana and her financial relationship with her Dad, she's never needed to learn.

I'm just tired and need to give my time to my work and studies - and to DP and DS who so deserve the best of me.

Though I think they both make things harder for DD.

Would really find packing her things for her very difficult... we'll have to talk about it when she comes back though. She needs to find out what her options are - Sign on at Jobcentre and look for work

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LadyWithNoManors · 26/03/2011 16:56

I feel sorry for you both. She must be terribly insecure for whatever reason.

At the age of 19 it would be sad to just give up on her. She needs help as she's at a vulnerable age where she could end up involved with drugs etc especially given her mental state at the moment.

wabbit · 26/03/2011 17:16

Insecure yes and giving up on her is the thing that makes me baulk from turning her out of the house. I also think that her being here under my roof makes things worse for her as she can't stretch her wings as she would be able to if she had to support herself, she has the opportunity to do nothing here, doing nothing would not be an option if she had to look after her own space. So many things are a battle ground at home. Her room (keeping it free from litter, dirty crockery and stale food and in some sort of order) Helping around the house doing little things to just oil the mechanism iyswim.
We let her care for a chicken she brought home from a battery farm, (She was in full swing of her Young Farmer mode at the time) Dp bought it a lovely coop and started her off with everything she needed to care for it. She went on to neglect the poor chicken and as I became so upset I took her over and have taken all responsibility (now back in full health and pecking around the garden).

How can I find her the help she needs? The psychologist who she was referred to last year by her GP didn't believe that she was mentally ill and signed her off the register.

We are struggling to pay for the house and our living costs so sending her to an independent psychologist who specialises in her age group would be impossible. I simply don't have the money.

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GypsyMoth · 26/03/2011 17:20

well maybe she isnt mentally ill then,maybe he is right.? what are her 9former0 friends all doing with their lives now? boyfriends,do they feature?

i'm going through similiar with my 14 year old,we have youth offending team involved now. its horrible i know

wabbit · 26/03/2011 17:32

I think her former friends are just getting on living their lives, two I know have mental heath issues themselves. DD dips in and out of friendship groups, some on good terms others not, she's like a chameleon and changes her style to suit who she's meeting up with.

I'm sorry to hear about your 14yo DS or DD?

My DD seems to know how to keep her nose clean as far as the police are concerned, but she is a horrible bully.

I think she's scared of leaving home. I think she's motivated by spending money and having the right things that help her to fit in with whatever her latest group has and she needs to find out who she is herself before she will ever be happy.

It is crap having to take the brunt of all the bullshit she comes out with.

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BestNameEver · 26/03/2011 17:41

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wabbit · 26/03/2011 17:49

Because she's at the same medical centre, and is seeing a GP for this problem currently, I've been discouraged from talking about DD's mental health issues. The doctor is unable to discuss any aspect of her care or the steps that are being taken to help her.

She's been and done our local Youth Group, I think she wouldn't be welcome again... or at least she gives me that impression.

thanks for your suggestions though, I'll have a look on relevant web sites to see what I unearth.

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GypsyMoth · 26/03/2011 17:50

its my dd.

i know,i have other younger dc too,so hate how they pick up on her behaviour and sometimes copy it. and yes,bullying. this is a new thing for dd. she has started doing this recently. friendship groups have changed too,she fell in with a really bad crowd over xmas,but recenly moved on to her former,lovely friends.

wabbit · 26/03/2011 18:03

My dd has a 'last resort' group of friends who will put her up and support her less desirable behaviour. they seem to help her to justify her sense of injustice and lower her moral values and sense of obligation, gratitude and respect.

It makes you feel so impotent when they fall in with a bad crowd, I'm glad your dd has reacquainted herself with her old friends. Is this altering her behaviour at all?

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GypsyMoth · 26/03/2011 18:46

Yes it is, I'm seeing my old, lovely girl back again. Very slowly.
Her bad group if friends were exactly like those you described in your last post. School refuser so dd did the same. Anti social behaviour, gangs,smoking the works.

Back with her old group it's all Justin bieber,cinema and camping out!

wabbit · 26/03/2011 19:12

Oh I hope things continue for you and will keep a look out for your posts in this topic.

It's the raised hope that turns out to be false with my dd, it's heartbreaking when I realise that she's losing her enthusiasm for something that I see as wholesome and beneficial to her. I was so encouraged when, after being so inert last year and self harming, she got into farming after helping out with lambing last year on the farm where I have a kindergarten. She was able to hand rear an orphan lamb at home and was in charge of feeding all the cade lambs on the farm. She was fantastic and I felt so proud that she was getting so much praise from the farm team.

The rot set in before she left the farm though and she began to resent the tasks she was set and hide out in the smoking area distracting the lads who were also working on the site.

Grrr stickability she really needs to get some!

Thanks for reading my rambling posts though, getting it out is really helping Smile

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quirrelquarrel · 26/03/2011 21:27

She seems bright- it's not like she's just stagnant without interests!
The dedication really has to come from her though. Couldn't you make her move out, pay for a couple of months' rent, get a part time job and go back to college? Like other people have been saying, maybe a shock to the system is really what she needs. Is she strong enough to withstand it, or will she spiral down? If she'll spiral down, try taking yourself out of the equation and work out how she'd reach rock bottom, and what she'd do once she got there.

Thornykate · 26/03/2011 22:27

OP I think you hit the nail on the head when you describe how she gets away with things as she can fall back on dad or nan for money, it sounds like you are being firm but fair & consistent so you are giving her a good role model & deep down she will respect you for that.
Maybe her nan could contribute towards some relate sessions (you can get these at low cost if you attend during daytime hours & explain you are in financial difficulty) instead of bailing DD out? If the whole family supported this it might help things at home.

Maybe your DD would benefit from being involved with youth workers or other people who help young women feel confident & help them find themselves a bit?

wabbit · 27/03/2011 02:47

Sorry, had to disappear as DD came home and I'm sticking to the no internet 'til she apologises, which I asked (kindly) for when she first came back but she has refused. She said she doesn't have anything to apologise for Hmm

She said she'd get something to eat and clothes and then go again but I think she has run out of sofas to sleep on here. When I invited her to have some of what we were having to eat she came down to join us.

I can see that she's troubled, in a moment of calm I asked her how she was feeling - to which she let out a stifled wail, when I asked her to make it clearer for me by telling me she said she already did!

quirrelquarrel - She is bright, but emotionally very immature. Having anyone say 'no' to her is completely alien. She likes to be alpha female but has all the insecurities of not having a lot of money, not having completed her education and not having a job or boyfriend to eat away at her sense of her own self worth. This latest episode seems to have unfolded after she was dumped by her boyfriend. it was an ugly affair, which included his fabricating having testicular cancer (WTF?) which spread over the college campus like wildfire and left her looking a right prune as she had totally believed him and had been shocked, concerned and heartbroken all at once. She should have held her head up high and felt better off without someone who could make up such a lie but I think it's been a protracted Facebook slanging match between the college kids and her ever since.

Thornykate you're right
Relate might be a very good idea, I'll research it. Dp said only tonight that if Mum wants to continue to contribute to DD's welfare when she's signing on it would be a good idea to let her help DD pay for a therapist to sort out her troubles and hand her some responsibility for her own wellbeing.

She is like me though and I should read the signs, when she's upset she gets angry which is my response (which I have learned to recognise) It's just she does angry in a different way to me and externalises it instead of internalising it as I do.

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wabbit · 27/03/2011 02:48

BTW how dare they take an hour away... I only watched 'The Killing' and 'Women in Love' and now it's quarter to three???

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nestypirate · 27/03/2011 02:51

Yes - I feel robbed as well. My not very late night is now ridicuously late, and I feel like a plonker for staying up so late on mumsnet ( again..) We Woz robbed!

wabbit · 27/03/2011 03:00

Yes! we woz!!! Angry

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wabbit · 28/03/2011 16:01

Though back home now, my poor DD took an overdose last night... yesterday had gone so well, we'd done the food shopping together and she apologised for her behaviour, we cooked supper together and she had a lovely time watching a dvd with her little brother in the afternoon, but at 3.30 I was woken up by a vehicle outside and doors opening and closing...

DD had been on a forum talking to a friend who is also depressed whilst self harming and taking all her anti depressants and all the painkillers we had in the house

The friend alerted the Ambulance service - thank God they had exchanged addresses before hand for just such a situation (I think from what DD has said)

The hospital were fantastic - right up to the point when the mental health team got involved at about 2pm today, the doctor who came over from the psychiatric hospital was uncommunicative, gave me the distinct impression that he didn't know why I wanted him to hear about my daughters problems, told me to go back to the GP and get a referral to the mental health team from him Shock

Have just come off the phone with duty GP who was hugely reluctant to book an appointment to see her, wanted to wait 'til DD's GP is on duty... (and I guess he thinks she's going to keep appointments if I'm not about to get her to them???!!!)

My lovely DP has gone over to the Kindi today to oversee things whilst my assistants are looking after the children but we're such a tiny setting it's impossible to be off here and there at moments notice.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! I hate fucking male doctors - they're wank

Sorry, really angry at failure of the fucking system - the Psych Nurse who would normally have been asked to see a patient in DD's situation (a lady called Becky who we heard very encouraging things about throughout the long morning) was off sick and no-one other than useless Dr who asked if DD had self harmed before whilst her heavily scarred arm was visible with added visibility because of fresh dressings!!! Was the ONLY ALTERNATIVE - not much of an alternative for the promised 2 hour full history, talk to both patient and mother, get to the bottom of things session desperately needed by DD and Me Sad

Sorry again - big angry probably indecipherable rant

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GypsyMoth · 28/03/2011 16:16

oh no wabbit!! thats terrible. how is she doing now? has she said much?

an overdose of what? sorry,questions questions....you must be so worried.