Take him into care or not?

[Boes]

My brother is the single father of four children aged 16, 14, 11 and 5.
He did have another child who died on her fifth birthday in 2003.
He is not working and has very little money and lives in a 2 bedroomed flat.
i have just come off the phone to him and he is completely at his wits end with his 14 year old.
He is currently enduring a grounding for setting light to a family members wallpaper then swore on his dead sisters life that he had not. His 16 year old is refusing to reenter the flat until his brother is gone and his 11 daughter has also walked out to stay at a friends, the 5 year unfortunately sees the 14 year old as his idol and is copying his behaviour.
My brother has said he is going to get him taken into care, my nephew has alienated himself with all of his family.
Does he put his son into care?
Any suggestions?

i have had this recently with one dc assaulting another....dd repeatedly arressted for her behaviour and social services involved

social services DO NOT TAKE TEENS INTO CARE

as Mary says,it wont happen,not at this stage. i had to give up my bedroom to keep them separate. minimizing the chances of further events,and hope and pray it ends soon

psych tests are due. but the message is clear....even from youth offending team who im involved with.....the offending teen is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY (well,your brothers)

i sympathise.....its hard!!

Sounds like your brother needs help I hope he gets it soon, hopefully someone can help them find a middle ground of support where everyone can stay together. I feel for him though it's like being split apart when your children are struggling to cope.

My DS might be placed somewhere by SS due to risk to younger siblings but he actually wants this to happen, he seems 2 think this will help him get a flat at 16 ffs. Personally I want him at home although I admit I don't know how this could happen I just think there must be a middle ground, some sort of extra support package 2 keep families together? Or am I being naive?

SS didnt want to place him & were happy to try keep him at home with support until he kicked off at me right in front of them & now I worry where he will end up. Don't think there are many kindly foster placements for adult sized violent teens so it is best avoided at all costs :(