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WWYD - trio of rabbits but bond broken down

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Merula · 13/08/2023 13:58

I'll try to keep this brief. Six weeks ago, we adopted two single rabbits M and F) to bond with our recently-widowed 8 year old female. They went to a professional bonder and seemed to have bonded as a trio. However, when they came home the bond broke down, despite following all advice. Both females had bonded well with the male but there was a lot of vicious fighting between the females. We spent three weeks working really hard to re-establish a bond between the two females, including bringing them into the house and sleeping next to them, and basically spending 24 hours for days on end watching over them, and it seemed to have worked. We then went on holiday for 3 weeks and they were absolutely fine (home boarding with a rabbit rescue lady).

We brought them home yesterday and all seemed great, but as soon as we gave them access to their outside run, the two females starting getting bristly with each other until a full on fight broke out. We brought them back into their playhouse, and again, they started fighting. I don't have it in me to try and rebond them. They fought so badly before and both I and the females have the scars to show it.

So my dilemma is this. Do we give up the new female, who we really love, or do we keep her as a single house rabbit until our older female passes away in probably a couple of years, whereupon she can be bonded with the male (who she got on fine with before). The rescue we got her from is full (as are most) and she was already waiting for a home for a long time, so we feel we can give her a better life in the short term. But ideally she needs a partner, but I 'm not prepared to get a fourth rabbit, plus as I say, I'm hoping this is only a fix for a year or two. She is a really friendly rabbit, and loves human company, although I know this is not a substitute for rabbit company. WWYD? I'm gutted as we worked so hard to establish a bond, but unfortunately it seems the bond between the females was fragile.

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8misskitty8 · 13/08/2023 15:45

Have you spoken to the bonder you used for advice ?
Are all 3 bunnies neutered/spayed. That will cut down on the hormones.
I wouldn’t count on it only be a year or so until your original rabbit dies.
Our last bunnies lived until almost 14 years.

Fluffyfluffkins · 13/08/2023 16:00

Maybe look into an animal communicator? They can be helpful...and before you dismiss it Queen Elizabeth had one attend her horses ( Amelia Kinkade) so if it's good enough for her 🙂
Also, a Trust Technique practitioner may be of help too.
Wishing you and your bunnies the best.

YellowJoggers · 13/08/2023 16:24

I was in the same situation and brought my single girl in as a free range house bunny. I know bunny company is best but I am at home all the time and she is happy ruling the roost. We've tried to bond again but she won't have it. It was the only practical solution for us as we couldn't get another bun.

Merula · 13/08/2023 16:32

8misskitty8 · 13/08/2023 15:45

Have you spoken to the bonder you used for advice ?
Are all 3 bunnies neutered/spayed. That will cut down on the hormones.
I wouldn’t count on it only be a year or so until your original rabbit dies.
Our last bunnies lived until almost 14 years.

Yes, all spayed/neutered. The bonder that we used agreed that the bond had broken down and that it probably couldn't be fixed.

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Merula · 13/08/2023 16:35

YellowJoggers · 13/08/2023 16:24

I was in the same situation and brought my single girl in as a free range house bunny. I know bunny company is best but I am at home all the time and she is happy ruling the roost. We've tried to bond again but she won't have it. It was the only practical solution for us as we couldn't get another bun.

That's good to know. I do sometimes wonder if the new female doesn't quite get rabbit communication. She doesn't always seem to act in the best way to diffuse tension and her behaviour often triggers fights eg jumps on top of original female in over excitement.

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Merula · 13/08/2023 16:35

Fluffyfluffkins · 13/08/2023 16:00

Maybe look into an animal communicator? They can be helpful...and before you dismiss it Queen Elizabeth had one attend her horses ( Amelia Kinkade) so if it's good enough for her 🙂
Also, a Trust Technique practitioner may be of help too.
Wishing you and your bunnies the best.

Thank you. I'll do some research.

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Merula · 13/08/2023 16:37

YellowJoggers · 13/08/2023 16:24

I was in the same situation and brought my single girl in as a free range house bunny. I know bunny company is best but I am at home all the time and she is happy ruling the roost. We've tried to bond again but she won't have it. It was the only practical solution for us as we couldn't get another bun.

And yes, someone is home all day and we've brought her into an area of the house where someone will always be. Plus we have set her up with a huge space. But it's her being a single bunny that I feel guilty about. I'm so pleased that your rabbit is happy.

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YellowJoggers · 13/08/2023 16:39

Merula · 13/08/2023 16:35

That's good to know. I do sometimes wonder if the new female doesn't quite get rabbit communication. She doesn't always seem to act in the best way to diffuse tension and her behaviour often triggers fights eg jumps on top of original female in over excitement.

Yes, my other two are rabbity rabbits whereas my single bun is more human-centric. I can't work out if she thinks she's a human or she thinks I'm a strange sort of rabbit.

DuckonaBike · 13/08/2023 16:45

When we got our second last rabbit from a wonderful bonder at an animal shelter, she specifically told us that the only way to have two females and a male together is if the females are sisters and were brought up together. Obviously that’s just one opinion, but she was very experienced. Sorry this is discouraging but I thought the info was worth sharing.

Merula · 13/08/2023 16:45

YellowJoggers · 13/08/2023 16:39

Yes, my other two are rabbity rabbits whereas my single bun is more human-centric. I can't work out if she thinks she's a human or she thinks I'm a strange sort of rabbit.

Interesting! She's extremely affectionate to humans too - constantly demanding head rubs, whereas the other two are more aloof.

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Merula · 13/08/2023 16:49

DuckonaBike · 13/08/2023 16:45

When we got our second last rabbit from a wonderful bonder at an animal shelter, she specifically told us that the only way to have two females and a male together is if the females are sisters and were brought up together. Obviously that’s just one opinion, but she was very experienced. Sorry this is discouraging but I thought the info was worth sharing.

It definitely seems impossible with these three. I wish we hadn't tried now because we have this dilemma on our hands and wanted to give them all a loving home.

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Quartz2208 · 13/08/2023 16:51

SingLe house rabbit who you give plenty of attention to

bunnygeek · 14/08/2023 09:31

Trios are always tricky, this is why most bonded rabbits are in pairs.

A mistake was moving them into their larger established run so soon after bringing them home. Newly bonded pairs or groups often need to be in smaller confines than usual and then their space very gradually increased to avoid them getting jealous or over excited over resources.

I would be looking at bonding the 8 year old with a single, I understand why you wanted a trio with an older rabbit but it can be more stress than it's worth. When my 12 year old was widowed when her brother died, the rescue bonded her with a very gentle 1 year old boy. When I lost my old girl about a year or so later, he is now bonded with a girl of similar age.

Luna02 · 20/08/2023 13:08

how long ago where they neutered/ spayed? I had two males (brothers) fighting so much I didn’t even think to try to re-bond them, I brought in a female to bond with one of the males. The pair I bonded were both real escape artists and one day I found them all happily in peace in the solo boy’s enclosure so then I kept an eye on them and decided to keep them together. This was about a few months after they had been neutered so it also takes a while for the hormones to cool down. Just wanted to give you some hope as sometimes it’s possible they will stop fighting.

now one of the males passed away and I bought a new female but I am again having the same issue with the two females. Some reason I was under the impression two females would be easier than two males.

Merula · 20/08/2023 16:48

@Luna02 Our original female was neutered years ago and I think the new female was neutered a few months ago. I'm glad it worked out for you originally but I'm sorry the new dynamic is not so easy. Good luck!

Thanks again everyone for your messages. We spoke to the rescue and explained the situation. We said that we could keep the new female until they found a new home for her but they asked for her back so we've said goodbye to her. I think it is for the best, even though we were upset to see her go. Hopefully she'll find the right place/partner for her soon. The original female and new male are very happy together.

Just to clarify, the bonding was with three rabbits who didn't know each other before - the new rabbits weren't a pair.

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