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Rectal prolapse in both dwarf hamsters.

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2fallsagain · 27/03/2021 07:48

We have had our dwarf hamsters for 6 weeks. One had to be PTS last week after we discovered a large recital prolapse. Today my daughter has discovered the other one has the same thing. She is clearly distraught as she knows he is likely to also have to be PTS and I'm just waiting for the vets to open to get some advice.

Surely this is really unusual? It's rare in one hamster but two?

We bought them from pets at home. I'm going to speak to them when they open at 9.

My dd thinks it must be something she has done but they have fresh water, she cleans them out weekly etc.

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2fallsagain · 27/03/2021 16:59

Just bumping. We had to have the second one PTS. Vet thinks likely genetic. Pets at home were incredibly unhelpful.

I am so worried if we get another two the same thing will happen.

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BumBurnerBum · 27/03/2021 17:03

I have no advice but this happened to my first hamster (many,many years ago). I was about 12 and, like your daughter, quite devastated.
This wasn't a dwarf hamster though and subsequently hamsters bought from a different pet shop were quite long-living.

I think it's something that comes from over-breeding.

2fallsagain · 27/03/2021 17:19

That's for getting back. Yes I fear that pets at home are not particularly diligent about their breeders. I will be doing more research next time. Poor little things.

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Deena07 · 31/03/2021 02:44

Most large chain pet stores source their 'stock' from rodent mills, which are practically cages full of hamsters, being bred over and over again, no care for genetics or health concerns.

They also sell very inappropriate products, like too small cages, but they get away with saying that they are only temporary cages up to around 12 weeks of age, when they sell hamsters around 6-10 weeks, so would only last them a few weeks if that! The RSPCA usually recommend a cage that is 80cm by 50cm or larger, the only suitable cage that Pets at Home currently sell is the Savic Plaza. The hamster heaven claims to be suitable size at 80 by 50 but it tapers in at the bottom, so actually works out much smaller, the tubes and penthouse are known for escapees and Syrian hamsters have died in tubes that size, not to mention the front door, so many escapee reports, it needs to be closed on the second notch.

They also sell fluffy bedding, which has caused many deaths, toys that feel like sand but are coloured sawdust and encourages them to chew them, but can cause blockages. I was also told that they didn't need a sand bath, yet I think they are pretty essential now, after years of experience with hamsters.
Wood shavings are also hugely debated for many reasons, paper based bedding like Carefresh or Kaytee clean and cosy is much healthier and better for them.

Not just complaining about Pets at Home products! Most pet stores are the same, they don't even sell quiet wheels of a suitable size (dwarfs minimum is 8 inches and Syrians need a 12 inch wheel)

Dwarfs are highly prone to illness, eye problems and diabetes being two main ones, this is probably because most of them (I think all in the UK now) are actually hybrid dwarf hamsters, also known as Russian dwarfs. They are a hybrid of Winter whites and Campbell dwarfs.

Cleaning them out fully weekly can be extremely stressful, I don't think it was anything you have done though, but you can spot clean their poop and sand bath daily to weekly, but with the correct size cage and paper based substrate and bedding, you should only be cleaning them around every 4-6 weeks, otherwise they stress so much and can smell more as they will usually scent mark much more.

I am going to wrap it up now, sorry for the long post! I'm way too passionate when it comes to animals, especially hamsters and rabbits as they are so misunderstood and mistreated by many people and most pet store staff aren't very helpful either, although you do get the odd lovely knowledgable staff member of course!

There are so many Facebook groups to help learn from too if you get another hamster. I hope your daughter is okay, it isn't likely anything she has done, just bad luck and bad genetics, I'd look for an unwanted hamster, rescue hamster or if you can find an ethical breeder (which are very hard to come by!) Please don't support rodent mills.

2fallsagain · 02/04/2021 15:08

Thank you so much for coming back to me. I have done some research snd feel awful.

There is a woman locally who is rehoming hamsters after her two had babies (thought they were same sex, clearly not). She has boys and girls. We have the cage you recommended and the bedding so that's good.

Would you keep two boys or two girls together? She has 4 of each. If you can recommend a FB group that will be good.

Thanks.

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Deena07 · 02/04/2021 17:08

The trouble with having two or more hamsters together in one enclosure (dwarf or robo ONLY) is you have to be extra careful and on constant watch, which isn't possible, they could turn at any time and attack each other, injure, kill or even eat each other. They need to be the same gender, from the same litter, never been apart, no tubes, connected cages or levels. They must have two of each item in the cage - 2x 8 inch wheels, 2x water bowls/bottles, 2x hides that have to have at least 2 exits in them etc. If you have 3 hams, they'd need 3 of each and so on.
If you have 3 dwarfs in one cage there is a massive chance that a pair will gang up on the other.

Cohabitation rarely works. If you do, you can't ever separate them, they must go everywhere together, even the vets etc. Once separated, you can't put them back, they would likely kill each other.

I took in 4 robo sisters that were living together in such a tiny cage, smaller than a shoe box, I was very wary of keeping them together but I thought I'd see what they were like, upgraded them to a suitable cage, 4 of everything. Unfortunately one of the sisters passed away in her sleep, no sign of injury or anything but stress can contribute to death. Her 3 sisters lived together until they all died of old age, quite a bit of time later, I'm surprised it worked, but this is the only one situation I know of that has, personally.

They do thrive on their own and do not need 'friends' if they get separated, they may seem a bit sad and off for the first few days but I personally think it is just because of change, nothing to do with them missing the other, but I obviously can't talk to hamsters so I can't say for sure!

I won't add links, as not sure of the forum rules, but the following groups are the best I know of, for hamster care, sometimes people can be a bit abrupt or rude but the admins are fairly good if someone is willing to ask questions and take things on board. I think it is just their passion and care shining through.

'Hamsters UK' is a great group, the cover photo is a collage of hamsters at the moment and it is by Hamsters UK Admin & Mods, currently 19.2K members.

'HAMSTERS' is a worldwide group, so advice can vary from different countries. But it is very useful and informative, definitely worth joining, you can always leave, if it isn't for you. The end of the link should have HAMSTERSGROUP and the cover photo currently says Hamsters, where good husbandry, meets science. 51.5K members

2fallsagain · 02/04/2021 22:14

Thanks for your help. I think my daughter is desperate for 2 but I have said they are solitary snd are happy in their own. We do have two of everything as we noticed the last two arguing over the wheel so we bought another. If we get two they will be siblings and never been apart. Will join the group and sleep on it.

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Nikkiseddon9 · 22/06/2021 11:29

I’ve had the same problem. Russian dwarf hamster I bought from pets at home 3 weeks ago being told she’s around 6 months old but I think maybe a little younger and I’ve just had to have her PTS this morning due to a bad prolapse 😳 it was awful to see! I’m so sad I think pets at home have a lot of explaining to do it this is a common thing for their hamsters.

2fallsagain · 28/06/2021 22:26

Oh so sorry. 😢

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