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Not a good day with my little rat today :(

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RattieofCatan · 16/03/2015 00:09

I just wanted to worry and write everything down without worrying DP so thought I'd come where people understood!

Ashi has spent the day refusing to let us touch him, biting things in his cage (though not attacking, just chewing boxes and unchewable things, like his porcelain food bowl) and frantically scrabbling around with no real purpose.

DP managed to pick him up earlier and he just whined until he was put back in his cage about 30 seconds later. He's clearly not a happy boy today :( I think it's a type of seizure as he just seems really confused and defensive though I wouldn't know what to call it. He's had them a few times but never one all day. The worst was when he spent an evening screaming at every sound, we honestly thought we'd be taking him on a one-way trip to the vet the next day, that was in January and was his last big growth spurt IIRC.

He's had at least one tonic-clonic seizure a day this week which has coincided with a growth spurt. He's not had many since his last growth spurt and they seemed to be evening out, so this week has been a bit rubbish for him. I'm worried that he'll be like it still tomorrow and if he is, what then? But I thought that last time and within a few days of cuddles and bribery he was back to his usual happy, sleepy self.

He has been doing so well and I think this may be a huge setback. He's been free ranging most mornings for an hour at a time which he never would have been able to do before as he was always too tired. He's been much more lively in general really.

I'm debating getting him onto drugs to stop the seizures but will they be worth it for the sake of a week every couple of months where he has them? And the other runt owner I know said that her older girl stopped having them at 5 months, and Ashi is now 5 months, so maybe he'll outgrow them soon? We couldn't really get him onto them when he was younger as he was so bloody small the vet was worried about overdosing him and at the time we thought that it might be something to do with his liver so we didn't want to use them just in case, but he's now a decent size and we know that it's not liver-related so it wouldn't be as much of an issue (between 440g and 450g atm).

And it puts a huge damper on the idea of introducing him to his two (spayed) big sisters who we eventually want to get him in with when our rescue passes on (she's old, bless her, she still doesn't believe it though Hmm Grin). We thought that as the seizures had evened out we could start introducing him and hopefully they won't do a Haku on us, the git still gets aggressive whenever he even sees Ashi, but that looks like it won't be able to happen unless he grows out of the seizures.

Bloody frustrating. Every time we make good progress with him something like this happens again and we're left wondering if this is it or if it'll blow over.

It's amazing how such small creatures can worry you so much!

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RattieofCatan · 16/03/2015 07:31

He's worse this morning :( Shouting, lots of porphyrin/blood around his cage, no clue what it is but he doesn't seem injured, but it's dark. The effect looks like when Haku loses his nail but he has all nails so I've no clue what's going on. I need to get him out later to clean his cage which should be fun.

My poor boy :( The cage is covered to give him some space and he's just running around stressed. So now we've just got to wait for him to calm down before we can do anything.

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RattieofCatan · 16/03/2015 07:37

He's pulled a toenail. I missed one of his back thumbs when checking and that's what he's done. No clue how he's managed that!

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sanfairyanne · 16/03/2015 09:12
Sad

i dont own rats so no advice but i do own small furries and they all have a special place in our hearts.poor ratty :(

fortifiedwithtea · 16/03/2015 13:07

I have a special love for Ashi because I am a human with epilepsy, I can empathise with him. Epilepsy really sucks Sad

It sounds like he is in a state of altered consciousness and its bloody terrifying speaking from experience (you get sensations that aren't real and you kind of know but they feel so real and sometimes you feel compelled to vocalise what you are experiencing very loudly, no matter where you happen to be).

If Ashi was mine, I'd take anything out his cage he might hurt himself on and keep him somewhere very quiet where he can see you for reassurance but not pick him up if you can avoid it.

Medication is a conversation you'll have to have with your vet. I'd worry that animal aed's are one size fits all and he'll be so doped up he won't enjoy life.

Fingers crossed this is an episode like January and will pass.

Sending you un-Mumsnetty hugs and Wine

RattieofCatan · 16/03/2015 13:54

san They do, very special things. He's my heart rat so I'm hoping he'll snap out of it soon!

Thanks for the explanation fortified, that sounds like how I think he is, IYSWIM? He definitely seems to be reacting to things that aren't there and was like it last time this happened too. He occasionally has short moments like this (for about half hour or so) but then seems to snap out of it. This is the second time it's lasted for significantly longer and we're on day two.

He's a lot calmer now but still not happy. Hasn't shouted since I was sat staring at him this morning as it was the only way I could get a good look at his toe. I took everything bar his hammock and food bowl out this morning (he doesn't want me to take that out apparently!). He's been lying down since I came back from an appointment at noon and has literally just started to sleep. So hopefully he'll be happy to be chatted to later on today.

I've just taken the cover off of his cage now he's calmer and I'll leave him be for now. He's actually on the floor as his cages usual position is on top of our girls cage and I wanted to be able to keep a good eye on him.

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RattieofCatan · 16/03/2015 17:47

He calmed down for a while and then the screaming started. My poor boy :( The hammock is now out as he got caught in the baby rings holding it up and I could see that turning into a broken leg fairly easily so just removed it.

He's now rotating between screaming at the corners, standing still and just listening to the background noise and dashing around the cage every so often. I've been doing more research on it and one site suggests magnesium supplements, so I may try that. I'm not keen on putting him on drugs and neither is our vet.

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RattieofCatan · 16/03/2015 22:39

He's calm again. We think he may be coming out of it but we'll find out in the morning. He was screaming when we left for the gym and sleeping it off when we got back and is still dozing.

I'm hoping that I can clean his cage out tomorrow, he always has these moments on clean out days! He is noticeably bigger at the moment as well and probably reaching one of his last growth spurts so hopefully this won't happen again

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RattieofCatan · 18/03/2015 06:31

He got screamy again on Monday night after we went to bed but yesterday was okay. He'd definitely snapped out of it but was really distrustful. We both managed to get a short cuddle with him though. It'll be a few days but I'm sure hell be back to his usual self by the end of the week!

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/03/2015 10:39

Paw holding for little Ashi. It is worrying to watch when you're uncertain what will calm them and what will aggrevate them.

Sad (Never knew rats scream)
fortifiedwithtea · 18/03/2015 10:41

Good to hear Ashi managed the whole of Tuesday without screaming Smile We need a thumbs up symbol for MN.

RattieofCatan · 18/03/2015 20:48

Hearing them scream is horrible, really seriously disturbing. I remember last time I had to sit in my bedroom with music on to drown it out. DP could hear him from our bedroom on Monday night :(

He's better today. We were both working today so weren't home during the day but this evening he's been fine and seemed normal this morning before we left. He freaked out a bit when in DPs jacket earlier but we managed to get a cuddle each. He'll be okay soon :)

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