What are those trainers that look like Converse but nicer?

[giddykipper]

Someone from MN introduced me to them a while ago.

Can't for the life of me remember what they are called.

Leather, chunky soles, more expensive than Converse.

Not Vans/Keds.

i would love to say all stars, but no

hmmm baby shams?

oh leather, hmmm no not babyshams let me think

maybe rocket dogs, or fly?

No, not babycham.

So frustrating.

It's an odd name. Something is making me think it some initial plus a word. And there's a P in it. Or maybe an F.

pf flyers?

Ash?

Camper? Doesn't sound like it from your description but maybe worth looking anyway

Not K Swiss or G Star!

PF FLYERS!!!

A P and an F.

Thanks smoky

kurt geiger do great converse copies

but i guess that isn't what you mean

i have kg snakeskin converse
loverly

Keens?

converse-y type here

Ooh they look really nice.

Have never heard of them before.

Interesting. Thanks for the tipoff giddykipper