Endolift anyone?

[MokaEfti]

Hi, I’m considering this for my lower face and neck. Has anyone had it or do you know anyone who has? I know one person but she had it on her legs! So that’s not much use to me.

I don’t want to go down the facelift route and I know results won’t be as good as with a facelift, but if anyone can enlighten me as to how effective it is, I’d be grateful 🙏

https://perfectskinsolutions.co.uk/treatments/endolift/#:~:text=What%20is%20ENDOLIFT%3F,for%20more%20youthful%2Dlooking%20skin.
www.reddit.com/r/30PlusSkinCare/comments/1f300cx/the_truth_about_endolift_my_experience/

Sounds interesting, but I think I’ll give it a miss!

How old are you? Because imo treatments that rely on 'stimulation of your own collagen' can be a bit disappointing after a certain age, as with the best will in the world, collagen declines a lot, and can only be 'stimulated' to a certain extent, which may not be enough for great results once the initial mechanical lift has worn off. Depends on the cost. In the hundreds, might as well try it. In the thousands, I'm not sure the result would be worth it, unless you're in your 40s.

No, I’m older than that. So, my collagen has definitely slowed down. @5128gapdo you have evidence for that though, or is it just as you say, “IMO”?

Nothing scientific but have had treatments myself where the effectiveness relies on stimulation of your own collagen and found they didn't do a great deal. So I suppose I should have said IME rather than IMO.

After 50, skin laxity is a real problem and nothing works other than a facelift.

Better to save up for a facelift than waste it on an Endolift, which sounds like the latest emporer's new clothes in non-surgical lifts which probably don't work and if they do, don't last.

From Bignanna's link, it is not cheap

Endolift One small area - £1200
Endolift Face 1 area - £2500
Endolift Face 2 area - £3500

From the website:

"The early signs can be seen as soon as 4-8 weeks, but the process continues to work over time with ‘peak’ results 9-12 months after the procedure."

If it takes 9-12 months for the results to show fully, that sounds like a con.

Thanks for the input. You are very helpful @blueshoes and @5128gap

i think you both make great points. So I’m having serious reservations! Yes it’s very expensive … and it’s hard to get proper advice from a doctor as obviously any expert is a practitioner in Endolift, and it’s in their own interest to say No it works well in older women, you’re an ideal candidate etc etc!

The thing is I’m way, way too terrified to have a facelift- even though one of my friends swears that soon as she gets a chunk of money, she’s spending it on a deep plane facelift.

Tretinoin increases collagen and reduces laxity. Presumably I'd use that instead.

You could maybe try threads? Same principle, mechanical lift (instant) followed by "your own collagen bla di bla..." but with threads you will at least get 6 months of mechanical lift guaranteed while they're in place, and after they dissolve could get an idea if your own collagen does stir itself to maintain or 'improve' the result. I've had threads a few years back. Lovely result for about ten months, but after they dissolved my own collagen was sadly not coaxed out of retirement.

Micro needling is the best value for money procedure IMO. You need a few treatments. You are not going to see miraculous results but it helps, along with tret.
I've pretty much tried everything.
i have had a facelift and the recovery was quick and great results.

Thanks! I’m an avid Tret user - have used it for years. Not sure about thread lifts - have read some things lately which suggest they’re not so great.

OP, I hear you. I am a chicken about facelifts but in my late 50s, it is time. I am steeling myself and my finances for a deep plane facelift and upper bleph under GA within the next year or so.

Although it is invasive, I prefer the 'one and done' approach than lots of expensive non-surgical treatments that don't really work or last.

@poppy10101 what sort of facelift did you have and when? Do you mind saying how much?

I would LOVE a one and done!
just too scared of things going horribly wrong…
That’s a Me Problem because I know for a fact there are some amazing surgeons out there.

@poppy10101 yes please do share if you are happy to.

This US-based internet cosmetic surgeon says a deep plane facelift is the only way forward once you hit your fifties [I know, he'd say that]. He thinks threads, microneedling, botox and fillers at this age are not a good idea and could in fact ruin your face and make a facelift harder.

Facial Rejuvenation Mistakes in your 50s:

I don't know if you are in your 50s but I am, so sharing 😁

I had a lower face lift and upper Bleth in my early 40’s. £5.5K about 4 years ago.
I do wish I’d waited a few more years and had my neck done at the same time. Done under local.
No pain, a bit of stinging around my eyes for a couple of days. Swelling took about 2 weeks to settle and then o was comfortable leaving the house with a hat and sunglasses.
I still think it’s worth investing in some skin treatments as a facelift doesn’t help with skin quality.

I have seen videos of people recovering from, and then their results after healing, from CO2 laser treatment. Their own videos, rather than the clinics, and they look years younger.
Is that worth looking into?

@HoldingThePoisonDown I’ve googled and have found this article, comparing C02 and endolift
https://www.ageless-md.com/endolift-skin-tightening-vs-co2-laser-skin-tightening/

@blueshoes Your link isn’t showing (unless it’s just a problem on my phone with the App). I’m interested in reading the article though!
@poppy10101 That’s really useful to know, thank you. 4 years later does it still look as good? Yes I hear you about skin treatments but I’m not so bothered about that as I do look after my skin, and it’s looking good from that point of view even though I say so myself ….

OP the woman in the before and after Endo lift pics has obviously lost a significant amount of weight before the after picture so I don’t think that’s representative of actual results, the skin improvements with the co2 look pretty good but the real people I’ve seen -moving and talking in their videos-looks even better, although the recovery looks pretty horrific!

@blueshoes Your link isn’t showing (unless it’s just a problem on my phone with the App). I’m interested in reading the article though!

OP, try googling "Dr Amir Karam Facial Rejuvenation Mistakes in your 50s"

There is also "Dr Amir Karam Lasers or Facelifts? The PROS and CONS to Two Powerful Facial Rejuvenation Techniques!"

They are short videos rather than an article.

OP the woman in the before and after Endo lift pics has obviously lost a significant amount of weight before the after picture so I don’t think that’s representative of actual results

To see whether I am truly a candidate for a facelift, I actively sought to lose weight to get to my target weight. I reckon that is cheaper and less invasive than a facelift 😂My face is narrower and less bloated but the sagging is still there especially the jowls and jaw line and heavy eyes.

It was worth a try and did improve things all over but face could still do with some help.

I got all excited at the link but I think you're right. And the other poster talking about collagen.

Ok, I need to keep saving for the face lift then!

@blueshoes I’ve googled the doctor you mentioned and watched a few of his vids. Then I googled some surgeons in the UK. I can report that you and others on this thread have helped me come to the conclusion that endolift is officially Not Worth It.

the American doc does say microneedling is good (not anything like a facelift obvs but value for money). I’m going to do some micro needling and stick to tret and my other skin care (my skin condition/quality is good so I will keep focused on that).

one of the UK surgeons suggests sending photos of my face to see if I’m a candidate and I’m going to do that, purely out of curiosity. Will report back, if anyone’s interested!

in the meantime I’m going g to calm down and maybe slowly over time and once I have the money, will go for that deep plane facelift, if I can get there in my head.

@MokaEfti glad you have come to a decision. You can end up go down a lot of rabbit holes as there are many treatments out there and new ones coming out all the time. To have a longer term plan is in itself a relief. Looking after your skin quality in the meantime is a great investment.

I'd be curious to know how your virtual consult with the UK surgeon goes as well as the microneedling. I'd probably go for laser at some point.

My ongoing project is to find a good cosmetic surgeon for the deep plane facelift that is not super expensive. I don't believe in paying over the odds for a celebrity surgeon (who may not even be the one to perform the surgery) but obviously want someone with a good aesthetic eye and experienced in this procedure. I am in London.

@blueshoes I’m also in London, or at least, very close to London. Perhaps I can DM you?

yes mentally coming to a decision / long term plan feels good - although maybe I will change my mind again (probably). Feels good to kick the ball into the long grass.

i sent my pics to that surgeon. He’s a super expensive one and also not one I’d necesssarily go to, because although reviews are mainly excellent, there are a couple of shockers!!

@MokaEfti feel free to PM me. I am impressed you have already contacted the surgeons. I am only at the stage of collecting names and just doing light research every now and then. Also following mn threads on the topic.😁

Will be good to share notes.