That little bit of loose skin , under your chin....that looks like a chicken 's neck .....

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......is there any cure for it ! 🤔🤩🤣!

Neck is doing ok with lots of creams...just realised....it is the chicken bit that is the problem !

Following. I think of Richard Fish from Ally McBral every time I look at my "wattle" 😢

Why, was his wattle particularly resplendent?

Not a sentence I expected to type today.

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Surgery?

Here for this too. I keep looking at other women’s necks, younger and older than me, who all seem to have lovely jawlines, even double chins seem nice and firm, while mine is this crepey wattle. Hate it. I have it also heard it called, ahem, vagina neck.

No suggestions, but why does it look so bad when you look in the wing mirror of the car? Or is that just me?

Surgery would probably be the only cure

Confidence in what a diversely valuable and amazing person you are is the only cure.

Reducing your high value to that of the time some collagen and elasticity can remain firm in your skin cells, is not doing justice to what a wonderful person/mother/friend/sister/artist/wolf tamer/rally driver/shop assistant/feminist/scientist/wife/human you are (insert own things here).

Media tells us to be perfect, and that we are failing if we aren't. The smoke and mirrors of other people's money, edited photos and plastic surgery is used to keep us down and control us, to extract maximum money from us for totally unnecessary cosmetics and procedures and all the rest. Feeding on our insecurities, the insecurities it created for making maximum profit.

Be skinny! No, have a huge bum! No, now look like you're 24, into your 60s! Aahh but now you've got to be taller! And on and on.... It's all contrived bullshit. We are us. Just us, and us is always enough.

And fuck all that manipulation, because I've lost some lovely people far too young, and so my own ageing neck (and the rest) is a testament to still being alive against all the odds. All the wonderful things our bodies do for us, all those minuscule and huge biological processes in harmony that we don't even notice, we are literally walking miracles topped with infinitely different and powerful computer-brains. How lucky and how wonderful to be alive at all, in our brief amount of time in this vast dark universe, as brief as the striking and extinguishing of a single matchstick.

Your neck is fucking lovely.

No, he was very attracted to a fine wattle on a woman (of any age)!

what age should I expect this to happen?

I might be a bit hormonal, if I've got any left, but that made my cry. I was about to start worrying about my neck and now I've stopped. Thank you!

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Hth.

I would recommend this book. :D

A lower half facelift, also I had filler in my cheeks and it lifted my jowls and tightened that area

This is one of the best things I have ever read on MN. Thank you @SkytreeMadeOfClay

I read on mn once that complaining about your body is like being given a rocket and complaining that you don't like the colour.

I screenshotted the comment I loved it so much!

It's interesting
I just decided to stop bullying myself about my neck, arse size etc and enjoy life.
It's like a weight has lifted.
I like nice clothes, creams etc but self acceptance is the gift of freedom
Since then I would say my interactions with people have changed, I get positive comments all the time now.

It really is in our heads

When my daughter was a baby, she used to love to grab and give my Mum's a good tug. I used to laugh.

Now I'm the grandma 😭🤣.

I hate my crepey chest more though.

Oh well!

This is all lovely although I knew it anyway. I do still feel shit about my neck though. I feel that way despite also concurrently feeling lucky to not have cancer while also being worried I might have dementia. I just also hate my neck. I don’t like myself for not liking my neck if that helps.

Lovely words from @SkytreeMadeOfClay, but I think it's ok to acknowledge we're not particularly thrilled with entropy whilst also acknowledging the extraordinary nature of being.

Do I love that my knees bend and cause me no pain? Yes! Do I also not love the slightly crepey nature of said joint? Also yes!

Do I absolutely understand the singular and unlikely set of circumstances that brought me forth? Absolutely!

Do I give myself a 'mirror facelift' with my hands and think 'Hmm, maybe'? Abso-fucking-lutely.

Fuck you entropy I say, fuck you and your universal cruelty. All those loved ones that have died were victims, we're all victims of enropy.

It's inevitable, we don't have to like it though.

We don't know the essential nature of ourselves. We could be a simulation made by immortals to study how sentiences with a finite life-span approach the inevitable.

We could be a cosmic joke.

Who knows?

It's not shallow to not enjoy the slow slide to the grave whilst also being aware enough to appreciate the fact we are here to ask the question.

@Gloriana1 totally agree with loads of that. I never said it was shallow to hate the neck thing, though. Certainly wasn't trying to derail anyone's legitimate anguish at the remorseless heavy tread of time. Change is scary, but ugliness, the definition of, should always be reframed where it becomes a stick to beat ourselves with. I was just offering some counterbalance, women don't hear it enough, quite extreme things are so normalised nowadays and I think it's hard on us. That expectation of some sort of perennial age defying ability.

I look at my mum and think, we have barely any photos of her because she hated her face and body in all of them. What a shame she spent so many years feeling like she wasn't enough. And based on what? Based on what metrics? Just a totally average woman, with this weight on her soul.

But what's the alternative? Becoming Narcissus by the pool, unable to tear our eyes away from our self perceived perfection? 😁

Yes, we know, but many can’t afford it!
Non surgical remedies will drain your bank account will little effect on your neck, creams just give you a softer wattle, tapes could be an embarrassment and exercises stretch the area and probably make it worse! It’s so depressing and ageing when your face is reasonable, but your neck has pleats. It’s the bane of older women, and anyone who can produce something that works will be a billionaire!

I totally hear that @SkytreeMadeOfClay.

I absolutely am in the 'You exist, you exist, that's such a joy and gift.'

It's a joy and gift if your life is ok. If your life is trial after trial, that's hard.

I think it's easy to be sanguine or philosophical if you're alive.

It was a genuine question', I know it varies I was looking for a ballpark.

I was putting lipstick on in a cafe and the sun was streaming through the windows and aargh I had the hollow thing with pleats both sides of my throat! Normally I can shrug off wrinkles and sucklike but I was horrified. However, it seems to have disappeared. Must have been just the angle I suppose....