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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and blood all over the place - it's romantic, it's normal.

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botemp · 11/08/2024 12:50

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Floisme · 20/06/2025 10:19

Just re-read my post. It’s too late to edit it but, in case I wasn’t clear, it was the Toast website that went wonky, not Margaret Howell.

Redandblue11 · 25/06/2025 15:45

Sorry for radio silence Flo. I managed to see stuff on the MH sale, also beyond what I want to pay right now.
sounds like you have a few good things from toast, I saw their sale and yes it has a few good things .
I just bought a few practical things as I will try to pack sensible for my upcoming trip. It will cover tropical beach, and later on up mountains and cool temperatures, ending in mild city temperatures with cool evenings.
so basically I need to be prepared for everything.

Floisme · 28/06/2025 15:05

I'm exhausted just thinking of all that packing Red - hope you have an excellent trip.

So my sales binge: This was the Margaret Howell jacket, and I'm definitely calling it a jacket, not sure why it got filed with the shirts. I liked it a lot, it had really nice sculptural look and the colour was spot on. (I'm fussy about navy / dark blue.) But it was too big, especially the shoulders and sleeves. I spent a couple of days telling myself it was supposed to be a relaxed fit and that it meant I could fit a jumper underneath before hardening my heart and sending it back.
https://www.margarethowell.co.uk/products/mhl-long-sleeve-panel-pocket-shirt-indigo-cotton-plainweave-indigo

Next up, some swishy wide leg trousers that were half price in the Toast sale. I should have known there'd be a snag and they turned out to be an odd shape - loads of excess fabric around the thighs but not in an intentional, barrel-leg way, they just looked like they hadn't been cut properly. Or maybe they made a bad choice of fabric and something with more structure would have worked. Anyway they went back too.
https://www.toa.st/collections/sale/products/hemp-cotton-canvas-trousers-dark-chambray-blue

And then this Toast jacket that I'd been tracking for a couple of months, waiting for the sales. It fitted and it was nice enough but it didn't have the volume or the movement of the Margaret Howell and in comparison it felt a bit flat and static, plus it wasn't even a lot cheaper than the MH. So back it went. That might have been a bit harsh and I'm sure another time, I'd have been pleased with it. But it's not like I'm short of jackets.
https://www.toa.st/collections/sale/products/birch-gingham-cotton-jacket-burnt-umber

So I've ended up with nowt. I'll keep an eye out for further MH reductions as there are a couple of other things I like. But otherwise I think I'll try and save the money until I'm feeling up to making a trip to London and then I'll go to Colenimo and also YMC and, sales or no sales, try on everything they've got,

Indigo cotton l/s panel pocket shirt | MHL. by Margaret Howell

Indigo soft dense cotton long sleeve panel pocket shirt. Relaxed cut. A line. Slant seam pockets. Hanger loop on back yoke.

https://www.margarethowell.co.uk/products/mhl-long-sleeve-panel-pocket-shirt-indigo-cotton-plainweave-indigo

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 28/06/2025 15:23

That’s a shame Flo, but it’s best to be sure.

Do you think you might have kept the Toadt jacket ( which looks good in the photos) if you’d not had the MH one as a comparison?

Floisme · 28/06/2025 16:30

Yes I might well have kept it, Red. I'd been looking for jackets that are either brown or that go well with brown and, considering it's a colour that's supposedly made a comeback this season, I hadn't been inspired by very much. And normally I like that Toast-esque square, boxy, cropped shape. But I tried it on the day I decided to return the Margaret Howell and I'm sure that affected me.

I also think Toast need to watch their prices as they're drifting up towards MH territory which I don't think will do them any favours because, while I like them (Toast), I don't think they're in the same league when it comes to either design or quality.

Redandblue11 · 28/06/2025 17:06

I have noticed that about Toast too re prices.

I really like the jackets.

Redandblue11 · 28/06/2025 17:07

Watching Glasto on TV. A bit nostalgic, I went only once when I arrived to this country many moons ago and it wasn’t nearly as impossible to get tickets and was reasonable too. Loved it.

Floisme · 28/06/2025 17:22

I also went many years ago. It was good fun and I think everyone ought to go once but I've no great desire to go again. Not just the toilet situation - you can pay your way out of that if you've got the money and you don't mind walking! - but it was incredibly busy and, if a lot of people were on the move at the same time, it took ages to get anywhere which started to piss me off after a while. And that was years ago - it's probably even more crowded now.

Going back to Toast, I've noticed this season that a lot of their trousers now have elasticated waists, and I imagine that's about keeping their costs down because it means you don't have to worry about fit as much.

Floisme · 29/06/2025 09:46

Ooh thank you Castle, that is a good call! I remember that jacket (or something very similar) from the Cabbages and Roses thread. I'd finally got round to setting up a search on Ebay for a small number of brands but I get so many messages purporting to be about C&R that turn out not to be that I've not taken much notice lately.

It'll be too wide on the shoulders and the problem is that sometimes it'll still look fine (especially on a short, unfastened jacket) and sometimes a small shoulder pad will fix it, and then sometimes - as with the Margaret Howell upthread - it looks totally wrong. So it's a gamble when I can't return it but, as you say, that's a good price. Hmm...

Also, look at how all the lines of the plaid match up across the seams and through to the sleeves! Not something I see often these days. Another hmm...

botemp · 04/07/2025 12:01

Hello everyone, checking in. I was in Paris last week but it was hot like a sauna so there's not much to report on the people in the street fashion front, did pick up some nice things in the sale. But I'm in a different sauna so can't even wear them...

Saw some great exhibits, Charles Worth (the original haute couturier) at the Petit Palais and Alaia and Thierry Mugler at the Alaia foundation, would thoroughly recommend both. Loic Prigent's youtube channel has a special on the Worth exhibit that I need to go watch now that I've been but assume it would be good for anyone not able to travel to see it.

I stupidly did not reserve tickets for the Haute Couture exhibit at the Louvre in advance. I was kind of okay with missing it (busy enough in the heat as it was) but I've been informed it's unmissable 😑 so I'm going to try and fit in a day trip again somewhere this summer, there's also a big Rick Owens exhibit at the Palais Galliera that opened just when we were leaving Paris which I'd also really like to see.

Also saw some non fashion exhibits, would very much recommend the one about Jeju island in the Korean Cultural Center, left inspired and energised. Inside there's also one of those multimedia immersive experiences showcasing Korean nature without the frightening price tag (it's all free) that'll keep children happily entertained.

On the fashion front, those mesh ballerinas were ridiculously popular though, even tried on some bright orange ones by Dear Frances out of curiosity which are more of a really fine nylon mesh and I sort of get the appeal when you're wearing them, they really change things up in a ooh newness with sudden new possibilities way. I just can't get over the material and how it feels like weird stiffer socks and I still think they look kind of odd on other people. Also, will hold my hands up, when Dear Frances first emerged on the scene I was aghast at the poor quality for the price and probably moaned about it on here. Quality has definitely improved a lot, but value for money is still questionable, but no longer outrageous.

Didier Ludot (the famous vintage dealer in the palace gardens with the rare pieces) was suddenly gone and I had a bit of a shock. Going to peer into the windows is like a Paris ritual to me. He was getting on in years and the shop was always randomly closed whenever I passed by so it was to be expected a bit but it looks like they've just moved to the 5th. I suspect under new or rejuvenated ownership.

Did not see many new brands of interest, one that did catch my eye was Ruohan which is probably going to struggle a bit to overcome it being Chinese. The thing is, my criticism of Chinese brands is that they're often varying degrees of imitation. This, although the references feel familiar, felt original. Though not overt, it definitely has something of a tradition of Chinese garments in it. Admittedly better to perceive in person than online, the styling there could do with finessing. The quality of the items also felt in line with the price point and is much higher than what you associate with 'Made in China' (rightly or wrongly, I'm not a fan of labeling everything out of China as deplorable crap but not enough to sidestep the ethics around Chinese manufacturing and supply lines).

I hate to burst your privilege bubble Flo but despite never having bought a thing online at MH I got all the special access emails too. They do often end up in my spam though. If it makes you feel better, seems to be a lot less available on the EU website.

I missed all the Palome chat, if you're still around Taybert, welcome. Must admit I'm always a bit hesitant about brands that are presented as French and then they only sell in the UK Confused

Also, spotted in The Guardian this morning, looks like Bella Freud's sister Esther has come out with a sequel to Hideous Kinky.

RUOHAN

https://ruohan.co

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Whorl · 05/07/2025 06:34

I'm going to do a bit of house chat, because new house is so nice.

I am adoring my new space.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and blood all over the place - it's romantic, it's normal.
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and blood all over the place - it's romantic, it's normal.
Gingerwarthog · 05/07/2025 12:39

Hello all
Posting for opinions on the Dior Gaucho bag (vintage) as I have the chance of getting one in reddish brown leather.
Must re-read Hideous Kinky and then order the sequel…

botemp · 06/07/2025 10:07

You sound happily settled in your new place, Whorl. Is it a listed building?

Ginger, I personally prefer something with a bit more structure or super slouchy with minimal hardware when it comes to bags so the Gaucho doesn't appeal much to me personally in that sense. If you have a more boho or Y2K vibe going in your wardrobe I can see it working really well in that context.

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Floisme · 06/07/2025 12:24

The house is looking mighty fine @Whorl - love the panelling.

It sounds like it's all happening in Paris bo. I urge you to go to the Haute Couture exhibition and report back. Do it for me Smile

Which reminds me, although you may have spotted it already, the V&A are putting on an exhibition about 'Marie Antoinette Style' in September, although I feel a bit ambivalent towards it so far. On the one hand, anything featuring 18th Century fashion is going to be interesting to me but it also feels a bit Hmm considering she met such a wretched end. But hopefully it'll be more rounded than it sounds.
www.vam.ac.uk/exhibitions/marie-antoinette

Less complicated - there's also an exhibition at the Design Museum about the Blitz Club. I never went myself but I know someone whose brother did, which obviously makes me a world authority on the subject.
https://designmuseum.org/exhibitions/blitz-the-club-that-shaped-the-80s

I'm afraid I know nothing about bags @Gingerwarthog but hopefully you'll get more good advice from other posters.

Blitz: the club that shaped the 80s

Delve into the music, fashion, and design stories that shaped Blitz – the club, the people, and the movement that transformed 1980s London style.

https://designmuseum.org/exhibitions/blitz-the-club-that-shaped-the-80s

botemp · 07/07/2025 11:07

I need little convincing Flo, the only thing really putting me off is going into Paris in August. I have vague memories of it being awful (weather wise) and avoid it as a rule but perhaps I'm over exaggerating and being there while in a heat wave last time isn't really all that different? Definitely going to spend the night though, I think in and out in a day in potential extreme heat is a bad idea.

I quite like the sound of the Marie-Antoinette exhibit (and I have some Eurostar vouchers and Booking credit to use up 🤔are there still enough active users here for a London meetup?).

The 18th century reference and tragic end is interesting to me though as it seems to be a big fashion influence atm. JW Anderson's debut for Dior (men's) had a lot of it in quite a fun way, very décontracté which made the historical-ness of it new somehow, but I think there's a larger thing going on. That Guardian opinion piece about vulgar display of riches I dismissed some time ago because the timeline didn't add up sort of tapped into it as well.

I don't know if it's a backlash to all this quiet luxury nonsense trending for so long or if it's the Trump win railing against 'elites' that emboldens it. Probably a combination of several factors, but I think it's all feeding into something, there seems to be an attitude among some of the rich to no longer be embarrassed by displaying their grotesque wealth (see the Bezos wedding) so it kind of follows that a message of, beware the guillotine, comes in response from the creative class (those horrible, horrible, elites Wink) that serves them.

Granted, I'm probably just as guilty as that Guardian author of trying to make facts fit a narrative I've decided on as this exhibit was planned long before, I assume, but I swear there's something in the air and history is echoing. It might take a while but I thoroughly expect shame to make a comeback.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I watched the debut of the new designer at Celine yesterday (forgotten the man's name) and spare yourself. It was an all over the place mess, 80s maximalism while trying to marry Phoebe Philo and Hedi Slimane looked about as good as what that sounds like. ugh.

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PoppySeedBagelRedux · 07/07/2025 13:43

I’ll be going to the Marie-Antoinette exhibition so very happy to have a meet up.

i did a course on turning flax into linen the Mediaeval way at the weekend, including learning to spin (a bit). It was very interesting and very hard work in places. I have new-found respect for my peasant forbears. I don’t think I’ll be pursuing it as a hobby, though others there wanted to, but it was a worthwhile and enjoyable thing to do.

botemp · 08/07/2025 15:13

Poppy that sounds really interesting. I'd enjoy that as a one off too, weaving seems a bit repetitive but does require your attention type of things, so neither totally engaging or relaxing unless you're very experienced. What was the final product like? I get the sense that handwoven fabric has a very different quality than machine made, but never quite sure if it's a superior kind of better that machines can't replicate or just a different product altogether?

There's quite an interesting Youtube channel by an English experimental archeologist where he built a humble home as the Anglo-Saxons would and also makes a lot of the tools required and other items inside as peasants of the day would. Some clothes too. It really does give you an awe for it all, not only of the various skills required but also the effort of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/@gesithasgewissa

WRT meetup, good to still see appetite for one. I always put Red in charge as she has everyone's phone numbers. I assume she's off enjoying her holiday atm. I'm not in a rush though, just need to book before October before my ES voucher expires, not sure if you want to be in the door as soon as it opens?

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/@gesithasgewissa

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PoppySeedBagelRedux · 08/07/2025 20:41

Bo it was fascinating - it’s 100 days from sowing to harvesting flax, then you dry it then you wet it for long enough (retting) to make the outside fragile without damaging the linen fibres within, then you dry it again, then you take off the outside (really hard work) and put it through combs to isolate the longest good fibres, keeping the shorter fibres (tow), then you can spin it and finally weave it. YouTube showed me this little video which shows an expert doing all of that:

l managed to produce a tiny quantity of totally hand spun yarn, somewhat lumpy, but others produced more, and more even.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/3JKhhtoe9v4?si=NfkjGDcaSRdIQqpE

Whorl · 09/07/2025 03:24

botemp · 06/07/2025 10:07

You sound happily settled in your new place, Whorl. Is it a listed building?

Ginger, I personally prefer something with a bit more structure or super slouchy with minimal hardware when it comes to bags so the Gaucho doesn't appeal much to me personally in that sense. If you have a more boho or Y2K vibe going in your wardrobe I can see it working really well in that context.

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Outside is grade II, much of the interior is II*.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and blood all over the place - it's romantic, it's normal.
Whorl · 09/07/2025 03:26

Hallway

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and blood all over the place - it's romantic, it's normal.
Whorl · 09/07/2025 03:29

Hallway

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and blood all over the place - it's romantic, it's normal.
Whorl · 09/07/2025 04:51

Sitting room.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and blood all over the place - it's romantic, it's normal.
Whorl · 09/07/2025 05:02

Kitchen cat.

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