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Lab Grown Diamonds

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LaMarschallin · 15/03/2023 08:18

A poster has started a thread about whether or not to buy a diamond ring.
The diamonds are lab grown and a few people have said things like "That's a lot for a fake diamond" (my italics).
Didn't want to derail that thread with my question, but I want to get some diamond stud earrings and have been considering lab grown - basically because I'd get more bang for my buck (or carat for my cash, if you will).
I appreciate they aren't exactly the same as mined diamonds, but thought that they'd at least be superior in appearance to, say, CZ.
What are people's thoughts/experiences with lab grown stones?
I noted that they had been talked about as better for the environment than mined diamonds which I liked the idea of, but must admit that my main reason for considering them was price rather than ethics Blush

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stevalnamechanger · 14/06/2023 01:40

Hrf1503 · 15/03/2023 11:00

@BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs is that definitely true regarding internal flaws? I always thought the same but when researching buying one it seems they use the same grading as mined diamond for clarity which wouldn’t make sense if all lab diamonds are internally flawless.

Also interested to hear whether anyone has compared whether there is any difference in the sparkle between lab/mined diamonds in real life? From videos I’ve looked it lab diamonds do see to refract light differently (less sparkly, although I never clean my ring anyway so maybe it doesn’t make a difference).

The reflection is down to the quality of the cut -nothing to do with origin

stevalnamechanger · 14/06/2023 01:40

Cyanchicken · 15/03/2023 11:03

Any recommendations for a jeweller selling lab grown diamonds - am looking for a wedding and eternity ring?

London diamonds are the bees knees!

smooththecat · 14/06/2023 01:51

Once I knew about what happens to the people who mine and the places where diamonds are extracted, I can’t ever see them the same way; they kind of disgust me now. Of course, they are beautiful, but at what cost? Who wants to think about that every time you look at your hand? A lot of the mines are linked to very dodgy organised crime/mercenaries - Wagner group is connected to diamond mining in CAR https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-23/the-african-laboratory-of-the-wagner-group-diamonds-violence-and-political-alliances.html

Get the lab ones. I wouldn’t even be sure about ‘ethical’ diamonds.

The African laboratory of the Wagner Group: Diamonds, violence and political alliances

The Russian mercenary organization has turned the impoverished Central African Republic into a successful center of economic and military influence for Moscow

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-23/the-african-laboratory-of-the-wagner-group-diamonds-violence-and-political-alliances.html

Tourmalines · 14/06/2023 02:35

A gemstone is defined as beautiful, durable and rare . The more rare the more expensive. Lab grown diamonds have the same chemical and optical properties as natural. The methods of producing them are becoming more affordable. They are now flooding the market like never before and are dropping in price considerably. De beers want to protect the prices of natural diamonds so they will never flood the market with them . Lab diamonds certainly are becoming popular and they certainly beat cz .

Phoebo · 14/06/2023 02:38

I like the fact my diamond took millions of years to be made, I find that special. I wouldn't lab grown meat either. To me it's still "fake". It's like AI right, just because you can't tell its fake doesn't mean it's not fake.

smooththecat · 14/06/2023 04:00

Do you also enjoy the human pain that went into it? Because that’s what it is.

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 14/06/2023 07:44

Phoebo · 14/06/2023 02:38

I like the fact my diamond took millions of years to be made, I find that special. I wouldn't lab grown meat either. To me it's still "fake". It's like AI right, just because you can't tell its fake doesn't mean it's not fake.

Would you eat farmed meat?

Boomboom22 · 14/06/2023 07:47

Weird how man posters prefer their indistinguishable diamonds to have the blood of children on rather than be happy humanity can lab gr9w real diamonds. What strange priorities, that it be rare and mined.

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 14/06/2023 07:52

Boomboom22 · 14/06/2023 07:47

Weird how man posters prefer their indistinguishable diamonds to have the blood of children on rather than be happy humanity can lab gr9w real diamonds. What strange priorities, that it be rare and mined.

Not always the case though is it! I doubt many people in this day and age would go out of their way to buy conflict diamonds.

jajajajaja · 14/06/2023 07:54

Tourmalines · 14/06/2023 02:35

A gemstone is defined as beautiful, durable and rare . The more rare the more expensive. Lab grown diamonds have the same chemical and optical properties as natural. The methods of producing them are becoming more affordable. They are now flooding the market like never before and are dropping in price considerably. De beers want to protect the prices of natural diamonds so they will never flood the market with them . Lab diamonds certainly are becoming popular and they certainly beat cz .

De Beers have seen the writing on the wall. They have stopped hoarding their stockpile

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 14/06/2023 07:56

Boomboom22 · 14/06/2023 07:47

Weird how man posters prefer their indistinguishable diamonds to have the blood of children on rather than be happy humanity can lab gr9w real diamonds. What strange priorities, that it be rare and mined.

It's not weird. As PPs have said, there has been a powerful marketing drive for many years to create various associations with diamonds and especially natural ones. I can understand why people feel that way about them. If I'm painfully honest, a romantic and slightly irrational part of me also prefers the idea of a natural diamond, created by the earth over zillions of years.

But I'd hope that, given diamonds are usually a considered purchase, they could think a bit more rationally about it before buying and realise the actual human cost of the nice idea, even if the monetary cost doesn't put you off.

A PP noted the huge energy cost in lab diamonds too. Maybe we need more marketing for other stones as well, but it'll be hard and De Beers will fight it.

Moonlightsonatas · 14/06/2023 07:57

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 14/06/2023 07:52

Not always the case though is it! I doubt many people in this day and age would go out of their way to buy conflict diamonds.

The conflict diamonds get mixed into the supply chain so you don’t know what you’re getting. The certification doesn’t really mean much.

greenstrawberry · 14/06/2023 07:59

I second watching the netflix documentary - amazing and has changed the way I look at and think about diamonds forever! Really fascinating and well worth the watch.

raaraathelionraa · 14/06/2023 07:59

I have bought from https://ethica.diamonds/ recently and can't recommend them enough - recycled gold and ethically produced stones. I've had some hefty 'real' diamond jewelry in the past and no way would I ever buy mined again.

Moonlightsonatas · 14/06/2023 08:15

raaraathelionraa · 14/06/2023 07:59

I have bought from https://ethica.diamonds/ recently and can't recommend them enough - recycled gold and ethically produced stones. I've had some hefty 'real' diamond jewelry in the past and no way would I ever buy mined again.

I’m saving up for one of their lovely art deco style rings!

Trinityloop · 14/06/2023 08:57

A huge issue is the deliberate conflation over what a mined vs lab diamond is. Theres lots of interest in keeping the price of diamonds (of all kinds) high, and the best way to do that is to restrict the supply. The language of real diamond/ natural diamond etc is designed to cast lab diamond into this other, un natural, fake diamond role

You can see in this thread that people start talking about cz a lot, or other stones which confuses the issue. Moissonite for example I think is beautiful and offers robustness similar to a diamond, has a cool natural origin of being a space stone, but has a slightly rainbow sparkle. It's also simply not a diamond, in the same way as a Ruby or pearl isn't. I wouldn't chose a sapphire engagement ring because I wanted the hardness, but if I did people wouldn't be telling me it was a fake engagement ring.

I bought a lab grown engagement ring after struggling to get hold of mossionite. Some jewelers were very pejorative over the whole thing for what seemed like little reason. If they had said they were worried about the quality of the actual diamond I would have listened, but most were just telling me it wasn't as romantic, that my wife might feel embarrassed that it wasn't "real". It was very much based on the social shame side of it rather than the diamond its self. One genuinely told me that an engagement ring should show how much you are invested in the relationship and to "go cheap" would suggest I wasn't serious and my wife would feel ashamed of that, and didn't she deserve a "real" diamond like her friends?

There is merit in the argument that they don't resell as well. Because people are put off lab grown by all of the above and jewelers by less of it then the market is less competitive (hence they are cheaper to start with!). However I also know that mined diamonds drop massively in value and second hand you rarely get anything like the value you paid for a bog standard diamond (unless it's a more rare sized one or exceptional one)

My wife didn't mind, I wasn't planning on reselling (I was hoping she'd say yes) and they look and perform identically so while it's come in conversation about the ethical side of it at times, most of our friends don't know and or care. I don't think I'm part of a circle where people care about the clarity and colour of someone else's engagement ring or shame people for smaller rings.

I had a budget in mind, and for the price I could have got a mined diamond, but I went for a lab diamond that was a better cut, clarity, colour etc than the equivilant price mined diamond.

My understanding is that because of the control over the process, mined diamonds are more likely to be higher on the c's as a whole. Mined obviously come in a big range and the low quality ones ones don't come to market as individual stones, and others with lower clarity for example are used in other forms of jewellery, studding etc and the smaller percentage of higher quality come to the jewelers.

When I went to the jewelers to have the ring made, they showed me a great big list of all the diamonds I got buy for that fitting, where they rate them by size, cut, clarity, colour. If you want a better clarity then you'll pay more, or you can move down the scale on size etc. Like booking a holiday where you can are combining price, hotel and number of nights. If you want to a nicer hotel for the same money you have to compromise on the number of nights. With lab grown its like looking at a cheaper destination, where you get more nights for your money.

Trinityloop · 14/06/2023 09:26

The best example I can give is its like buying a leather handbag. Just because its not a hermes brand, doesn't mean its a cheap knock off. Other handbags are decent in their own right.

The conversation gets confused when people compare primark handbags to hermes to canvas bags to fake knock offs and assume that's the same as a decent quality real leather handbag that's just a different brand.

Diamond: There are some people that really care about hermes, they've always wanted one, love the brand, love the story and would be sad if you spent a lot of money on a bag that wasn't hermes. Maybe they're friends have all got big name bags and they want something immediately comparable. They might much rather a smaller hermes bag, than a bigger version of something cheaper.

Then there are some people that don't really care for hermes etc. It doesn't mean every other bag is a knock off hermes bag, some are just different bags

Ruby, pearl, sapphire etc= some people don't like the style of a hermes bag and would prefer something different, a completely different canvas bag etc.

Cz- fake leather. For some people a hermes bag isn't practical, maybe they wouldn't use it much or maybe they want something lower cost or something they feel comfortable travelling. I wouldn't want the responsibility of an expensive bag! It might not hold up as well as hermes bag but it might last longer than you think. It might be the standard of a decent next bag or It might be a bit crap and be like a primark bag where its unlikely to last but suits a night out usage etc.
This is more likely to be a copy of a hermes bag but not always

Moissonite= vegan leather. Some people don't like the cost or ethics of leather but they like the look of it and the sturdiness. Its not likely to flake and peel. It's not leather but it might look similar, and still be fairly robust. It might not just be a cheaper way of getting a leather hand bag, it might be a deliberate choice because the smell is better etc

Lab grown: you buy a leather hand bag that isn't a big brand. It might still be crafted incredibly well, and infact might be crafted even better than a big name brand for the same price.

Possster · 14/06/2023 10:13

I've sort of rtft - but has anyone recommended a good place to buy lab grown?

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 14/06/2023 13:06

Possster · 14/06/2023 10:13

I've sort of rtft - but has anyone recommended a good place to buy lab grown?

London Diamonds and Ethica Diamonds have been mentioned.

bunnibee · 14/06/2023 13:16

I bought my solitaire pendant from 'compare the diamond.com' Possster

It is exquisite

lastminutewednesday · 14/06/2023 14:39

I'm looking lovingly at my lab Diamond engagement ring right now which is beautiful and absolutely massive (I care not a jot if I'm shallow, for my first marriage the ring was tiny and and from Argos Elizabeth Duke so for many reasons it was important to me to go large for this one). We couldn't have afforded a mined one this quality or size and I also don't like the ethics, so it's a win win. I don't get people that say it's not 'real'. It's literally exactly the same except with less flaws and it hasn't caused the death of any children .

lastminutewednesday · 14/06/2023 14:43

I got mine at Diamond doves in Hatton Garden

Sapphireordiamond · 14/06/2023 20:33

Possster · 14/06/2023 10:13

I've sort of rtft - but has anyone recommended a good place to buy lab grown?

I am looking at Ingle and Rhode and Taylor and Hart, both are in London

Tourmalines · 14/06/2023 23:02

jajajajaja · 14/06/2023 07:54

De Beers have seen the writing on the wall. They have stopped hoarding their stockpile

What do you mean ?

jajajajaja · 17/06/2023 18:20

@Tourmalines de beers have stopped stockpiling. They are releasing huge quantities onto the market. They acknowledged some years ago that they no longer have a monopoly and they have even got a lab created diamond division.

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