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Retinol, botox or fillers?

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NeedASolution · 16/08/2022 18:01

I am nearly 42 and I think look relatively good for my age (who knows!) mainly due to good genes and a healthy lifestyle. However, I am starting to see signs of ageing and wonder if now is the time to start botox / fillers. Can anyone recommend one over the other? I'm not sure of the difference. Also, does anyone know a good practitioner in London / Surrey? If I am going to do it I am happy to pay for someone good.

I have also never tried retinol and wonder if I should do that first. How long does it take to see the difference? I have heard it takes quite a while but I don't know if it's weeks or months.

Any advice appreciated!

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Farmageddon · 16/08/2022 20:25

I am starting to see signs of ageing and wonder if now is the time to start botox / fillers. Can anyone recommend one over the other? I'm not sure of the difference.
Botox and fillers aren't used for the same thing really - botox basically freezes the muscles to stop repetitive movement that can cause wrinkles (think frowning, which may cause frown lines on the forehead or '11s' between the eyes), and fillers are used to replenish lost volume in the face, usually the cheek area. I haven't had either botox or fillers so I'm afraid I can't recommend any practitioners.

I have also never tried retinol and wonder if I should do that first. How long does it take to see the difference? I have heard it takes quite a while but I don't know if it's weeks or months.
Retinol is an over the counter version of a retinoid. It is used to increase cellular turnover and increase collagen production in the skin (both of which slow down as we age). It makes your skin look brighter and clearer, and can reduce the look of fine lines.
However an over the counter retinol (that you buy at Boots for example) isn't very strong and won't give significant results. But it's good as a starter product, or if you have sensitive skin to get acclimatised.

If you want to use a retinoid your best bet is to get tretinoin (it is a prescription strength version of retinol). It has decades of clinical research behind it, showing its effectiveness. Not available over the counter I'm afraid, but you can get it from companies like Skin & Me and Dermatica on subscription, they send you a monthly bottle. Or some overseas online pharmacies sell it.
However it is heavy duty stuff, so I would advise to research it a bit, and use sparingly at first - and yes, it can take months to show the effects, plus you may end up purging for a while, with flaky, red, sensitive skin while your skin acclimatises to it.

I have been using it for a few years, and I still have the odd day where I peel a bit 😫However I really like the effect on my skin, and will keep using it as long as I can, but the first few months were pretty brutal. I'd say it took 3 - 6 months for me to see proper results.
But it's not a magic cream, it will not prevent sagging jowls or anything like that, it just makes your skin look younger and freshers. Also great if you have congested skin (it was originally developed as acne medication).

Also, if you are going to use any retinol product (OTC or not), you need to use high strength sunscreen everyday, as it makes your skin more sensitive to sun damage.

I suppose I see tretinoin as more of a maintenance thing, and to slow down future visible ageing of my skin, whereas botox and fillers would give you a more immediate and dramatic result, but are also more costly.

Farmageddon · 16/08/2022 20:27

*should say you can also get a tretinoin prescription from a dermatologist, but I would say it's pricey.

NeedASolution · 16/08/2022 21:03

@Farmageddon Thank you so much for the informative post - that's the clearest I've ever seen the differences laid out!

I have MediK8 retinol already in my bathroom cupboard, so will start with that as a 'warm up' and move to tretinoid in time. I like the sound of improving texture (the flakiness not so much...). Then once I see how it looks I will consider botox / fillers. I am also losing weight at the moment so now that I understand fillers, think it's better to wait and see how my face looks after weight loss.

Thanks again for taking the time to share all that Flowers

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5128gap · 16/08/2022 21:09

Depends on what you want to address.
Retinol for improved texture and slight smoothing of very fine lines.
Botox for 11s and crows feet.
Filler strategically placed to achieve slight lifting effect of sagging areas, and for replacement of lost volume in cheeks and tear troughs.

5128gap · 16/08/2022 21:18

My top tip: If you find a good practitioner they won't expect you to go in knowing specific treatment you want. They will ask you what's bothering you and what you want to achieve, and will then outline the options and recommend the most appropriate treatment, be it botox, filler or a topical.

NeedASolution · 16/08/2022 21:32

@5128gap Thank you, that makes total sense - not sure why I thought I had to have the answer myself!

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Farmageddon · 16/08/2022 23:30

NeedASolution · 16/08/2022 21:03

@Farmageddon Thank you so much for the informative post - that's the clearest I've ever seen the differences laid out!

I have MediK8 retinol already in my bathroom cupboard, so will start with that as a 'warm up' and move to tretinoid in time. I like the sound of improving texture (the flakiness not so much...). Then once I see how it looks I will consider botox / fillers. I am also losing weight at the moment so now that I understand fillers, think it's better to wait and see how my face looks after weight loss.

Thanks again for taking the time to share all that Flowers

No problem, it can be a bit of a minefield. I think Medik8 is supposed to be a good brand, so would be great to start with.

Just see how you go, some people don't want to graduate to prescription strength, and just use over the counter stuff and are happy with it. Remember to use it at night time, as it is degraded by sunlight, and also to use sunscreen everyday.

If you do choose to go with tretinoin, I would recommend 'low and slow', try out a low strength, maybe once a week at first, and build up over time.
Like I said, I'm happy using it and see it as long term maintenance for my skin, it's not going to work miracles, but it has improved my skin a lot.

PeloAddict · 16/08/2022 23:39

Tretinoin definitely to start, it's changed my skin beyond belief

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