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Best non-surgical facial beauty treatments

26 replies

CoolShoeshine · 29/06/2022 16:50

Apart from make up, good diet, hair treatments and clothes etc, is there anything that would be recommended for middle aged, plumpish, reddish, sagging old me? I’m thinking the treatments with scientific names at beauty salons. Do any of them give decent results which are worth the ££££? I’m a novice and don’t know where to start. Specifically looking for face and neck treatments which can make me look younger and more attractive.

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Kittykelly123 · 19/07/2023 12:13

This is what I want to know too.

Oceanus · 19/07/2023 13:11

Chemical peelings, the kind done at the dermatologist not at home, might be able to help. The type and strength of the peeling depends on the person so go and see a dermatologist instead of trusting a beautician. You only have one face. See what the expert says and then take it from there. They might recommend something which you can then do with a beautician instead.
Your face isn't the place to save money on or cut corners imho.

Delatron · 19/07/2023 13:32

Depends what your concerns are? Laser and IPL are good for redness and sun damage.

Radio frequency and micro needling can tighten a bit and stimulate collagen.

Then you have treatments such as Ultherapy and Sofwave. Supposed to tighten. They are expensive.

Profhilo is a skin booster which has mixed reviews but I’ve been using it for a few years and I think my skin looks better for it.

Kittykelly123 · 19/07/2023 19:22

ProfHilo has very mixed reviews - how often do you have it and what are the positives you see from it? I like the look of emasculpt face - I don’t know what it uses.

Delatron · 19/07/2023 19:33

The problem with Profhilo is that it’s expensive. I have it every 6 months. Most people give up after one session as they don’t see results but I’m persisting as I think it’s doing something.

I see a ‘plumpness’ (not the same as filler) skin looks bouncier and more hydrated. Skin hasn’t changed in terms of lines and sagging in the last few years I’ve been having it. I’m 47 with Celtic skin and sun damage so would have expected to see a few lines on lower face. But I completely get why people don’t think it’s worth it. Not much bang for your buck.

I really want Emsculpt but you’re looking at £3+k. It works the muscles in the face intensively I think to tighten.

FrangipaniBlue · 19/07/2023 22:53

CACI non-surgical facelift.

You have a course of 10 over 2 months followed by one every 4-6 weeks.

After the initial course the price per treatment is similar to a standard 60 minute facial.

Nicole Peltz Beckham, Emma Willis, Jennifer Aniston, Kim Kardashian all have them regularly.

JLo even has her own machine at home!

Moonberri · 19/07/2023 23:31

I wouldn't go down the filler route. So risky.

If you have redness laser is really effective and it has made a massive difference to my skin. I had lots of tiny thread veins from rosacea and used to wear make up every day to even out my skin tone. I only wear a bit of translucent powder now and my skin looks better than it ever did. I only needed 2 treatments. I try to get one every year/18 months to keep on top of it now.

You could also try a home light therapy mask. They're really good now and works out much cheaper than a salon and you could use it practically every day at home if you were dedicated enough!

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hev126 · 22/07/2023 00:33

Following with interest. I had a consultation for ultherapy and they recommended a combination of ultherapy and profhilo and it seemed so expensive!!!

I'm now wondering if I should look into CACI? Maybe that and a few chemical peels!

FeelingwearyFeeelingsmall · 22/07/2023 03:41

I've had ultherapy three times. It's painful and expensive and very slow to work but my neck and jawline look better (smoother, tighter, no necklace lines) now at 61 than they did when I first had it done at 55.

Gadooza · 22/07/2023 04:01

Delatron · 19/07/2023 13:32

Depends what your concerns are? Laser and IPL are good for redness and sun damage.

Radio frequency and micro needling can tighten a bit and stimulate collagen.

Then you have treatments such as Ultherapy and Sofwave. Supposed to tighten. They are expensive.

Profhilo is a skin booster which has mixed reviews but I’ve been using it for a few years and I think my skin looks better for it.

Ultherapy and RF come with major issues. Industry providers will insist it’s to do with technique and choosing the correct provider but not so, particularly in the case of ultherapy. They cause layers of tissue to adhere and condense and in many cases fat loss. Steer clear!

Delatron · 22/07/2023 22:05

Gadooza · 22/07/2023 04:01

Ultherapy and RF come with major issues. Industry providers will insist it’s to do with technique and choosing the correct provider but not so, particularly in the case of ultherapy. They cause layers of tissue to adhere and condense and in many cases fat loss. Steer clear!

Yes there have definitely been some issues with Ultherapy and fat loss. (I had Sofwave instead which). I think Morpheus 8 is ok as it’s a different technology to the Ultherapy.
It is also down to practitioner error with Ultherapy - some do have good results with a good doctor. So if you can get a recommendation.

Delatron · 22/07/2023 22:07

hev126 · 22/07/2023 00:33

Following with interest. I had a consultation for ultherapy and they recommended a combination of ultherapy and profhilo and it seemed so expensive!!!

I'm now wondering if I should look into CACI? Maybe that and a few chemical peels!

Yes they are so expensive.

CACI is good - you do need to do all the treatments they recommend in the time frame so that means going in every week for a fair while.

hev126 · 22/07/2023 22:29

@Delatron I managed to get a consultation for CACI this afternoon. Sounds promising but it's the ongoing cost putting me off!

Delatron · 22/07/2023 22:44

@hev126 Yeah it does add up!

Gadooza · 23/07/2023 08:51

Delatron · 22/07/2023 22:05

Yes there have definitely been some issues with Ultherapy and fat loss. (I had Sofwave instead which). I think Morpheus 8 is ok as it’s a different technology to the Ultherapy.
It is also down to practitioner error with Ultherapy - some do have good results with a good doctor. So if you can get a recommendation.

Ultherapy has issues which are inherent to the modality and not related to the practitioner or the technique.

There is a huge amount of misinformation out there (of course – where there’s money involved). It’s so important that people understand what they’re dealing with.

See, for example (this is a dr and expert in this area, short video of 1 min):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf_CDdRVovE

PSA: ULTHERA WARNINGS | Dr. Ben Talei | Beverly Hills CA

Quick reminder to everybody about Ulthera a.k.a. Ultherapy and how repeated Radiofrequency treatments for skin tightening is almost always a bad idea. ⁣⁣⁣I'v...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf_CDdRVovE

Gadooza · 23/07/2023 09:00

Any heat-based treatment causes damage and changes the structure of the facial tissue. This is attested by drs who perform facial surgery and see tissue that has been damaged treated with rf and other heat-based / ultrasound treatments. It’s not about practitioner, it’s about the nature of the treatment itself.

This dr explains (and also discusses ‘threads’ and sculptra). Again, just think it’s so important people understand what these treatments do, both good and bad.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CuIZRFKsYU7/

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/CuIZRFKsYU7/

GiddyGladys · 23/07/2023 09:08

CACI did nothing for my sister. Waste of money.

QueenJulian · 23/07/2023 09:18

Hi, I’d spend money initially on seeing a dermatologist not at a beauty salon. A derm will know if the redness is rosacea and can prescribe treatments like soolantra and azaelic acid to treat the redness and also do the IPL. They can then prescribe tretinoin which will help with the plumpness and smoothing by building collagen. Another way is to do it is an online consultation with a company like Skin and Me or Dermatica and they’ll send you prescription grade skincare which will start to make a big difference after a few months. This is about £30 a month at the moment.

LED red light therapy at home masks have great reviews and clinical studies to back them up. I’m using a neck and chest one which I’m really happy with. Botox of course for etched in lines.

Delatron · 23/07/2023 09:20

Very interesting! Pleased I stayed away now. I guess those who have had good results have just got lucky.

Delatron · 23/07/2023 09:20

That was with regards to Ultherapy!

Gadooza · 23/07/2023 09:24

Gadooza · 23/07/2023 09:00

Any heat-based treatment causes damage and changes the structure of the facial tissue. This is attested by drs who perform facial surgery and see tissue that has been damaged treated with rf and other heat-based / ultrasound treatments. It’s not about practitioner, it’s about the nature of the treatment itself.

This dr explains (and also discusses ‘threads’ and sculptra). Again, just think it’s so important people understand what these treatments do, both good and bad.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CuIZRFKsYU7/

Apologies, this was the right Dr but wrong link – here he talks about rf devices and also sculptra (and some useful info in comments):

www.instagram.com/reel/CuVESLfxqmY/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

JMAngel1 · 23/07/2023 09:25

Things I do which definitely make a difference

Dermatica tretinoin and azelaic acid
Red LED mask - bought one for home use
Microcurrent nuface device - use at home - similar to caci but way cheaper as can use every day
Mesotherapy - I have Lumi- Eyes to tighten under eye area - really good results after two sessions. Thinking about getting the full face equivalent

I used to do radiofrequency and initially loved it but I definitely lost fat around my face - especially my tear trough/orbital area - avoid.
I've had IPL but honestly saw little to no difference.

Gadooza · 23/07/2023 09:33

Delatron · 23/07/2023 09:20

Very interesting! Pleased I stayed away now. I guess those who have had good results have just got lucky.

I remember looking into it years ago and stumbled upon online communities of people who had been damaged. Back then (about 10 years ago) there was no acknowledgement about damage and fat loss at all. People were told they’d imagined it or it was ‘natural aging’. Horrible experience for those people.

Now it’s acknowledged that they cause fat loss and damage but the new line is always ‘the device is fine, you picked a poor practitioner’. I think even among treatment providers there’s a lot of misinformation (they are sold to as well by the manufacturers).

JMAngel1 · 23/07/2023 10:22

ooh also forgot to add the importance of high protein/low carb sugar diet - if I lapse my face sags more - ditto alcohol.