What is the point in a Size 4...

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When it drowns you as an 8?!

This isn't a teeny tiny poor me thread because I'm genuinely not. This is a Hush thread but there are other perpetrators too.

I'm 5'3, always at least 8st, 26H boobs. I've had two children and the belly to prove it. I'm not a size 4. I'm a size 8!

I knew Hush came up big and it was a fur coat so not something you'd want loads of layers on under (hence ordering a 4)... but you could fit two of me inside it.

I'm annoyed because I loved the coat but it got me wondering... "vanity sizing" seems to get worse every year, so what next? Do they just not want 100,000s of women's custom?

I used to spend so much money with them and pulled way back when the quality went down and the prices went up, but I'm tempted to just boycott them now.

Sainsbury's is another one where the smallest they usually do is an 8 and it's too big. I noticed they have a 6 in petite, but it seems to be getting worse and I'm finding more and more it's only the "younger" fast-fashion cheapo shops where I can buy something that's not the default smallest size (meaning the 100,000+ women smaller than me can shop there).

I guess what I'm saying is, if they're going to vanity size then great, but they should introduce "a number" to represent the sizes they've just shoved out of that size. So Hush apparently needs a 2 to cater to the 8s, and a 0 to cater to the 6s. And if you're actually a 4 (because of genes or illness or medication or eating disorders or whatever) then fuck them I suppose 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Aaaaaand breathe.

I know, vanity sizing gives me rage.
I almost always buy from Chinese sites now because I have to - at least the sizing is accurate and a size 8 is an actual size 8.

Yes - I can be anything from a 4 to a 10 and I never know what to order.

It's one of the reasons I prefer to buy in store and try on. And rarely buy anything these days.

I have a few dresses from the 1980s when I was a 12, and they all fit just fine.

There was never a recovery from the deregulation of the 1980s (so stuff never seems to be the same size between brands) nor the vanity sizing of the 1990s - somethung which brands freelynadmit to know, and which was nothing to do with the previous periodic re-valorisation of sizing against population measurements

I don't know what size I am anymore, pre-kids I was a 6/8 & then 8/10 & now I'm a 12 in some shops. I'm 5"3 & 30DD & 7.5 stones so should be an 8 but I'm different sizes in different shops. Just bought a size 12 dress from finery & I've no idea how it'll fit. Got a size 10 in sainsbury's which fit OK and then a 10 in Boden and had to return because it was too tight I'm slim so can't work it out.

Measurements? I am an 8, was a 12 in the 80s but am the same weight and similar (think my waist was slightly smaller, hips very slightly bigger) measurements. Am roughly 35, 25, 35. So with many sizing charts this isn't an 8 but that is what fits. I have 10s which hang off me.🤷‍♀️

I'm an 8 and fairly straight up and down (small boobs, no waist, smallish hips) size 6 in next used to be a snug too tight fit. Now I need a belt for a size 6 skirt in next....but what do actual skinny people wear?

I know. I'm a 6 in next. And I'm not a bloomin" 6.

Oh and I shop in Next, M & S and supermarkets mainly. So might well be a bigger 8. Not many different shops near us, really. I'm 5 ft 7 for context.

A size 4 didn't even exist in 1990. I genuinely seem to remember size 8 being the first ladies size and it was tiny.

I can't fathom how thin you must be to be drowned by a size 4 even if it's really more like a small 8.

Yes, in the 1980's a size 8 was the smallest size possible and it was rare for an average woman on the street to achieve this. Only if you were really petite with small bones could you get anywhere near this. Most of the magazine models were a size 10.
I remember dieting to get to this. I stayed the same measurements and Weight for the following 40 years and am a 6 in most shops. 10 is ridiculously large in Asda for example!
As someone said, the Chinese clothes can be a real shock when they arrive!

It’s getting ridiculous isn’t it? My size 10 stuff from 2000 still fits me but now size 6 is loose on me? Wtf. If I buy knickers in M&S I take a 12.

Add to the fact that a lot of stuff is cut “boxy” to fit SpongeBob SquarePants and you just feel so frumpy in it. The designers cut to disguise the obesity epidemic so 40% of us are left with nothing flattering to wear.

In the 90’s though my mums size 10 stuff from the 70’s didn’t fit me so they’ve always done it but instead of expanding sizes upwards they’ve decided to tell us we’re now size 6 instead of telling size 12 their now a 14.

Honestly I'm all up for the measurement suggestion.

I tend to get a lot in H&M but honestly drives me mad.

As they seem to be increasingly more opting for S/M/L instead of numbers.

I'm a 10/12 - used to sort of assume a M in H&M but last year this switched to a S and now increasingly XS.

I'm not that small a person and yet there isn't a XXS so what people smaller than me who don't want excessively baggy clothes are doing I don't know.

Same with M&S. last year I bought some 6s in there. Not even close to a 6.

I know what you mean. I'm in no way a stick - just under 9 stone, 5'6, 30HH boobs and a little mum pouch. I used to always be a 10 and now it drowns me most of the time. Tried a pencil skirt on in next and could have fit two of me in it. It's annoying .

I’m a UK size 4. Size 6 is often too big. I know women who are a size 10 and sometimes fit into a size 6 or even size 4 because of vanity sizing. I struggle to find clothes that are a true size 4. We definitely need size 4, but shops need to stop the vanity sizing! It should go off chest/waist size like men’s clothing.

I currently have items from Marks that for ranging from size 12-18!

@NearlyAHoarder

A size 4 didn't even exist in 1990. I genuinely seem to remember size 8 being the first ladies size and it was tiny.

I can't fathom how thin you must be to be drowned by a size 4 even if it's really more like a small 8.

The OP mentioned the size 4 was from from Hush. The vanity sizing in hush is ridiculous. Im a size 8-10 these days and 6s I’ve bought from there have been huge. I can quite imagine a 4 drowning someone who is an 8

Yes, this site has my measurements ranging from a 6 to a 10.

sizes.darkgreener.com/

Clothes sizes are just absolutely mental, I have jeans sized 12/14/16, but when I wanted some T-shirts & sweatshirts recently from H&M I ended up buying small.

I’m not small, my bra size is 34 DD, but the medium/large were so huge it was ridiculous!

It makes buying clothes so irritating.

Thesizes don't mean anything anymore. I can go from 12-16 depending on ship / brand.

I've had knickers from M&S the same style and size but out them together and they're different sizes. It's infuriating!

Shops design for their target market. A 10 in a teen shop won’t be the same size as a 10 in M and S or Next.

Also, all garments have a measure of ‘ease’ in them to accommodate the full range if people in that particular size.

I agree sizing is hard to gauge. I always order a 10 and a 12 online and see which fits better. Often end up wishing there was a size 11 available.

It must be something to do with natural shape as well. Even at my slimmest I'm only ever a 10 at smallest and often still a 12. Anything smaller wouldn't fit onto the actual frame of my body.

I'm currently about 2.5 stone overweight (just had a baby) and basically a large 12. When I'm slimmer and have lost the weight I'm a small 12! Despite being much slimmer. I don't really know what to make of it...

Its no different for women of all different sizes. There are places you just cant buy from

Is it not the style of coat? Oversized fur coats are on trend at the moment, before having a baby I was a size 4, and it was hard finding smaller fitted sizes as oversized clothing has been seen as fashionable for the last couple of years

@WarmForDecember bone frame size makes a massive difference. I've a small bone frame for my height. It's why I've a relatively small dress size for my height and am at the lower end of being a healthy BMI. I'm not boney and can certainly grab hold of flesh in places! I am slim though now at size 8 and have been fat for a time at size 14-16. I've fat percentage scales which give a good indication of this.

I agree. Hush is terrible for this. I’m a size 8/10 and had to buy a 6 in their joggers which also ‘grow’ thought the day so are ridiculously baggy come the evening.

I am finding buying shoes tricky now too and it’s become more apparent since I do the majority of shopping online. I’m a size 4 and always have been but now it seems that some styles are massive for me in a 4. I’m getting fed up of having to order 2 of things as no idea how they are going to fit when they turn up!

Plus oversized stuff looks awful on me. Just look frumpy and dumpy. Hate this trend!