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Style and sustainability

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StyleDesperation · 24/08/2021 07:27

If money were no object and you like clothes/care about looking good but also care about sustainability and/or supporting British designers and manufacturers, where would you/do you shop? Starting this autumn I want to be more considerate in my purchases and not spend £100 on a recycled polyester top!

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thedevilinablackdress · 24/08/2021 07:51

I don't know if these all meet your criteria, but this would be my wish list:
Carrier Company, Sideline, Macintosh, Solovair, Mary Benson, The knotty ones, Linen Fox, The Summer House

botemp · 24/08/2021 08:09

Because you ask about supporting designers, Phoebe English and Bite Studios both make by demand as part of their environmental philosophy alongside a small production to keep footprints as small as possible. They use sustainably sourced materials and are manufactured in the UK. It's what shapes their design process so if buying new (which by default isn't all that sustainable no matter how you dress it up, I'm not saying this as some wagging finger exercise it's just very easy to be misled by greenwashing) they're probably my best pick for least worst choice with a pronounced design aesthetic.

Katherine Hammett is another, and someone who has been doing this for a very long time and not just jumped on the band wagon recently as it markets well.

Phoebe Philo is launching her brand in January, I suspect sustainability and local production will be an important aspect of it too and it won't economise away the design aspect of clothing which is the case with a lot of sustainable brands.

Floisme · 24/08/2021 08:51

I'd add to the above list:
Community Clothing
John Smedley (knitwear)
Old Town
Celtic & c/o - although they don't claim it's all made in Britian.
Possibly Brora - they used to say it was all Scottish but not sure if they still do.
Likewise Johnstons of Elgin

There's a Young British Designers website which I sometimes look at although I've yet to buy - I don't know about their sustainability credentials but they showcase British talent.

If you look for the 'If Monty Don was a woman....' thread there are some other brands suggested which might fit your bill if they're to your taste.

Divebar2021 · 24/08/2021 08:58

I would be shopping second hand which is more sustainable than any amount of new. Vestiare collective for 2nd hand designer brands. Jenny Mustard is a pretty good influencer for pre loved designer if your tastes are Scandinavian style.

StyleDesperation · 24/08/2021 09:07

These are great, thank you. Lots for me to look at.

@botemp I take your point about buying secondhand and will definitely look into this also but I don't have much opportunity to get to charity shops etc and am not very confident on size and fit to buy from eBay. Are there any shops that sell their own clothes secondhand? I bought Isabella Oliver when pregnant because of that but haven't seen similar for non maternity!

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BlairWaldorfLovesShopping · 24/08/2021 09:10

Cos sell their own clothes secondhand! www.cosresell.com/buy

Divebar2021 · 24/08/2021 09:11

Jenny M has a video on Instagram about how to look expensive on a budget which actually is about building a wardrobe with pieces you love.( I definitely need to focus on less items and better quality. )

Divebar2021 · 24/08/2021 09:14

motherofpearl.co.uk/

I don’t think Mother of Pearl have been mentioned.

Salanda · 24/08/2021 09:18

I’ve been trying to buy mostly British and European made (as well as second hand). I’ve found a few are better on some factors that others - it depends what you prioritise. So one company might be good for how it treats workers but less good for the environment. Here are a few I’ve found:

-Genevieve Sweeney, British knitwear designer.
Gorgeous designs and colours.
-Oubas, Lake District based knitwear designer, traditional and timeless designs.
-&Daughter, knitwear made in the UK and Ireland. Definitely investment pieces but top tip they have good sales.
-The Knotty Ones, Lithuanian knitwear, employing women. Lots of hand knitted items! Amazing.
-Babaá knitwear - Spanish and lovely quality.
-L’Envers knitwear - based in Spain too.
-Hiut jeans - proper denim, made in Wales.
-Blackhorse Lane Ateliers - denim, London based.
-Wills Shoes - non-leather, UK based company, carbon neutral, made in the EU.

LaurieFairyCake · 24/08/2021 09:21

Baukjen (mid price)

People Tree

EKO (a Cornish company who use biodegradable fabrics/eco fabrics)

Celtic sheepskin

(But nothing beats buying as little as possible and then buying second hand - so the above I buy from EBay/consignment stores/charity shops first)

LaurieFairyCake · 24/08/2021 09:22

And Brora (I love their knitwear)

Salanda · 24/08/2021 09:24

@LaurieFairyCake

And Brora (I love their knitwear)
Brora is lovely. I love their fairisle knits. There’s always loads on eBay too - I’ve had some good Brora bargains on eBay!
Mufflette · 24/08/2021 09:53

Some great brands to check out here!

I really love Genevieve Sweeney knitwear, I met her at a market some years back and was so impressed by how passionate she was about sourcing the wool and working with different mills etc.

StyleDesperation · 24/08/2021 10:00

@Mufflette I'm so pleased. And I'm glad it's encompassing sourcing secondhand as well. For me, if I can mix some new and some secondhand and buy stuff that will last well, I will be happy!

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Verbena87 · 24/08/2021 10:05

sanchosshop.com/pages/shwapshop

Quite excited for this in terms of second hand. Have also bought bits from sanchos and always been pleased.

Salanda · 24/08/2021 10:11

@thedevilinablackdress

I don't know if these all meet your criteria, but this would be my wish list: Carrier Company, Sideline, Macintosh, Solovair, Mary Benson, The knotty ones, Linen Fox, The Summer House
Mackintosh is amazing. I love my trench from them and will wear it forever.
Edmontine · 24/08/2021 10:25

Excellent list, Salanda.

La Fetiche is my offering. I’m in the midst of an obsessive love affair with them at the moment - but ‘money no object’ is a definite consideration.

botemp · 24/08/2021 11:40

Op, yes I completely understand, I was more pointing out that so much marketing gets presented as sustainable when that's not a protected term so it can mean anything. I get quite annoyed about it as there's a lot of 'women and their silly clothes are the cause of climate change' shaming and these marketing strategies play into that by presenting buying something as sustainable as automatically good that's worth paying a premium for. Through your purchase you somehow absolve yourself of this guilt when that is rarely the case, it's just a marketed incentive to buy X over Y.

There's nothing sustainable about the amount of water required to maintain a football pitch or the exhaust fumes at the Formula One but there's no shaming of the largely male fan base for enjoying that. For clothes we can at least claim that they're necessary...

Reality is as an individual it's almost impossible to make the right choice as there are so many factors and it's also financially inaccessible for most. I thought the new clothing rental initiatives were great but on closer inspection it turns out they're more environmentally unfriendly than buying something and trashing it after one use Shock when I shop secondhand it's almost exclusively online as there's not much on offer locally. I'm sure if I looked into it deeper that isn't as environmentally friendly as apps like Vinted and Vestiaire Collective make it out to be. There's nothing all that conscious about the H&M conscious line, recycled polyester is just new polyester with a bit of recycled mixed in, recycled ocean plastic isn't actually harvested from the ocean, etc. etc. It's a minefield.

I think you make the best choices you can and this will evolve over time fed by what you come to know, mistakes will happen, it's not the end of the world. But it's a difficult path as trust is a diluted concept in sustainability claims. There's a whole economy surrounding it, a lot of the apps and websites evaluating sustainability or clean beauty claims of companies require payment (from the brands) for positive assessments, etc.

Also, there's limits, I don't ever see myself buying underwear secondhand, but I also don't see myself buying some special technology ones that never requires washing even though that would be great for the environment. I also enjoy new things now and then and there should be allowance for that because an either or setup is just doomed for failure.

There's a German e-tailer/marketplace (a bit like Wolf & Badger) called Staiy, they gather a lot of different brands and evaluate them on different aspects of sustainability, as per a pp it's not always the case that good worker's rights equal environmentally friendly and vice versa but it's also how much energy did it require to produce, etc. They're quite strict about so it's helpful that someone else has done the due diligence and even though there's incentive for them to present things rosier than they are, they feel quite even handed about it. I haven't looked into it closely but there might be some UK based brands on there too.

ExConstance · 24/08/2021 11:54

It is very difficult to be sure that those who promote what are very expensive clothes as being "sustainable" fashion are really as green as they say they are. My son has worked for several years as a designer for a very good brand, he has a fashion degree. Following redundancy he went for interviews with a number of niche clothes companies who promote their products in this way. Their employment practices were very exploitative, very low pay, poor working environment and lots of interns and new staff who were churned at the end of their 3 months trial period (when they were "self employed") I'm sure there are some good places to work but it is very difficult to make our choices about purchases on what you can be certain of. I buy a lot of secondhand stuff on ebay - if you know your brands you can judge if they will fit. Apart from that Brora is my go to, though I can only afford the sales.

Floisme · 24/08/2021 16:33

I buy a lot of second hand but, if I'm honest, it's as much to do with my budget as it is my ethical credentials, i.e. it's the only way I can afford the kind of clothes I really like. Plus if you prefer a physical shop for second hand buying (and I do too op) then it's time consuming and depends on where you live. I treat it as a hobby but, if I still had regular caring commitments, I probably couldn't do it.

And besides, if we all stopped buying new, those lovely niche business that we like to support, would tank.

I have also yet to see those people who enjoy travel, cars and gadgets getting anything like the level of scolding we regularly get on here. I wonder why that might be Wink

I'm coming round to thinking the most useful thing we can do is buy the best we can afford - whether that's new, secondhand, expensive or cheap - and then make it last as long as we can.

Edmontine · 24/08/2021 16:44

That is absolutely my own philosophy, Floisme.

Although, the Uniqlo hoody I’m wearing atm is testing my patience. It’s the first I’ve ever owned, and was a capitulation to the realities of lockdown. Hate the colour, hate the shape - the thing is neither pretty nor witty, but after a year’s hard wear it refuses to die, so I’m stuck with it ...

Floisme · 24/08/2021 17:15

That's so annoying Edmontine, Uniqlo can be like that I find - the promising things turn out to be shit and the things you're not so keen on are indestructible!

nordica · 24/08/2021 18:09

If money was no object then definitely smaller brands - down to one-woman brands who make everything at home. It would also be possible to buy more made-to-measure items that way and hopefully have a collection of basics that last and last. There's a lovely small brand I follow on Insta called The Old Rectory Clothing Co with beautiful pieces made from linen or cotton/hemp mix.

Out of slightly bigger brands, a lot is actually made outside of the UK but it's still sustainable and ethical. For example People Tree is firmly in this bracket.

Edmontine · 24/08/2021 18:16

nordica, you would love this thread ...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/4281220-If-Monty-Don-was-a-woman?msgid=108546944

StyleDesperation · 26/08/2021 10:28

@botemp @Floisme I totally agree. I don't buy into the idea that you have to be perfect to make a difference either. I try to think sustainably in all areas of my life but I'm not perfect. I have in the past got great joy from clothes and fashion and I've had a bit of a wobble the past couple of years but would like to rekindle it, just perhaps in a different way than when I was younger.

I feel I should also clarify, when I said money no object, it was that I didn't want to miss out on some great brands etc because of a preset budget rather than thinking that spending loads was a guarantee of sustainability!

What are thoughts on supporting sustainable ranges from brands where perhaps the rest of the brand doesn't have the greenest credentials? Driving demand for fairer/better or just supporting the problem while pretending to make a difference?

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