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Talk to me about Botox

31 replies

Goosethemoose · 08/08/2021 15:07

I have decided to take the plunge and try it. What do I need to know? (Other than the “don’t do it, you’ll look frozen!” comments that I suppose are inevitable.)

I live in London, early 30s, 2DC (I blame lack of sleep for the need I feel to try this!). Any tips? How many consultations should I go for before committing, and what should I look for?

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66babe · 08/08/2021 15:16

I would say definitely go with a recommendation
Someone who looks natural.. not done as you say
Be honest about what you want and to what extent
Please don't go to a back street someone or a Facebook Prosecco and Botox party as my friend did
She now has wonky eyebrows as one has a weird swelling above it

Limitedhelp · 08/08/2021 15:17

It will be one of your best decisions this year!

Have a consultation beforehand. Make sure you see a health care professional. Be clear in your expectations. Understand the results aren't instant.

You will love it! (aesthetics practitioner here)

AtillatheHun · 08/08/2021 15:26

@Limitedhelp - I had Botox 5 weeks ago and it’s already worn off :( I had two top ups to get it to work in the first place as well- I think they didn’t use enough in the first place. Do you think I should bother with it any longer? Have done it annually for about 10 years
(& to OP - see above - it’s not necessarily the magic bullet!)

NancyDrawed · 08/08/2021 15:33

I took ages to pluck up the courage to go for botox back in 2016 and while I did like looking fresher and generally less grumpy (damn you, number 11s!) I will never have anything like that done again.

I started a thread about it at the time - following in the footsteps of 'botox, a cautionary tale' started by IslaValargeone. Here's my OP from that thread:

I had Botox for the first (and last) time last Thursday having dithered about it for years and it wasn't a good experience. When I got home I read IslaValargeone's cautionary tale thread (perhaps I should've done that before I had it) and felt that I should share my experience too.

Before I start, I realise that some people swear by Botox and have used it for many years without problems, but I will NEVER have it again.

My appt was 7pm (had I known I wasn't meant to lie down for 4 hours afterwards I might have asked for an earlier appointment) and the jabs were painless. I was meant to be meeting friends to go for a walk 30 mins later, but while I was waiting for them I started to feel peculiar - dry mouth, racing heart and feeling a bit dizzy and faint. I went back to the clinic where the Dr said that she thought that I was having a Vasovagal event as if it had been an allergic reaction to the Botox it would have been immediate. I sat for another 30 mins then went home, having been told to go to A and E if I struggled to swallow or breathe. I spent the evening having mini panic attacks, and hardly slept that night because of the panic, dry mouth and concern about breathing / swallowing. So much for looking less grumpy and tired!

The following morning I had pins and needles in my hands, my nose was tingling, I had no appetite and still had the dry mouth (which lasted for another 24 hours)

Saturday morning I noticed that the lower half of my face was feeling numb and my hands felt very odd. I started with diarrhoea and the pins and needles spread from my elbows to my fingers and from my knees to my toes.

Sunday, woke up with pins and needles, but they had gone by the evening, still had diarrhoea.

Monday, right eyelid started to droop a bit, still had diarrhoea, forehead looking smoother.

Tuesday, still droopy eyelid, still diarrhoea, wrists started to hurt in the evening.

Wednesday, forehead felt tight. Diarrhoea finally gone, feeling a bit better.

Today - feel much better in myself apart from the odd racing heart episode. I really hope that I am not one of the people who have side effects occurring weeks after the jabs, which I hadn't even realised was a possibility.

It has worked to smooth the lines between my eyes and I certainly look less grumpy, but I will not be having it again.

Googling shows that some people react badly to Botox and I appear to be one of those people. I suppose there is no way of knowing if you are too unless you take the risk, but I now regret going for it and wanted to share why.

Reading that now, it's worse than I remember!! Oddly enough, I became really self conscious about my smooth forehead at the time and started noticing how lines on other people gave their faces character!

I had azulure rather than botox, which I suppose could have been the reason I had problems (smaller molecular weight and more likely to migrate IIRC from what I read at the time). I'd recommend you get a data sheet for whichever product your clinic uses before having the stuff injected into your face.

And once again - I know most people have no issues with Botox and I was one of the unlucky ones, but please be aware of what can happen.

Limitedhelp · 08/08/2021 15:58

@AtillatheHun
Oh no what a shame. There's a few reasons this could be.

  1. You have developed resistance to botulinum toxin. By having it very frequently, or too frequently, over exposure can mean it doesn't work well on you.
  1. A bad batch. Last summer everyone was reporting poor results from Toxin. (I am talking globally, all three Toxin brands)
  1. If you want to a poor Practitioner/someone not cover reputable, it's possible they have over diluted the Toxin, or just given you a tiny dose.

If I am honest. I'm fairly sure it is number 2. 😩
It very likely isn't the practitioners fault. Just bad luck on batches.

Goosethemoose · 08/08/2021 16:03

Helpful posts, thanks! Especially your warning @NancyDrawed, it’s good to be aware of all possible outcomes.

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66babe · 08/08/2021 16:06

I can give you a good recommendation if you want to come to Birmingham

Whosbooze · 08/08/2021 16:06

I get mine done at a training school. Easier to find reputable practices, and a LOT cheaper.

Goosethemoose · 08/08/2021 16:08

Ahh sorry @66babe, bit far for me!

@Whosbooze is it not a bit riskier at a training school? Or is it being done as a demo for trainees, and not by a trainee?

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NancyDrawed · 08/08/2021 16:18

I was dithering about whether to post it - but do think people should be aware that a tiny number of us don't react well.

As I said, I know it works without issue for the vast majority and I did look better once it had kicked in. I certainly would have had it again for the look had it not been for the side effects I suffered with.

I am now stuck with trying facial exercises and trying to remind myself to not frown when I'm reading / driving / watching telly etc. Bitchy resting face here!

Goosethemoose · 08/08/2021 16:23

No, no, I’m really glad you did- it’s helpful to know! I’ve had a small number of medical procedures, and never reacted to anything before- but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t happen now!

The problem (IMO) is that I’m very expressive when I speak (and listen!) and so I’ve got 2-3 chunky lines across my forehead... And I think they’re only going to get much worse in the next decade without a bit of help! My 11s are fine, and I do have lines between my nose and the corners of my mouth (not sure what they’re called) but am more relaxed about those as I smile a lot and then they are hidden. But yeah, I was being liberal with my “early 30s”- I’m 30, and should look fresher!

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Innocenta · 08/08/2021 17:03

@Goosethemoose

No, no, I’m really glad you did- it’s helpful to know! I’ve had a small number of medical procedures, and never reacted to anything before- but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t happen now!

The problem (IMO) is that I’m very expressive when I speak (and listen!) and so I’ve got 2-3 chunky lines across my forehead... And I think they’re only going to get much worse in the next decade without a bit of help! My 11s are fine, and I do have lines between my nose and the corners of my mouth (not sure what they’re called) but am more relaxed about those as I smile a lot and then they are hidden. But yeah, I was being liberal with my “early 30s”- I’m 30, and should look fresher!

Do you get headaches, migraines etc at all? I get botox for that but it's applied so it also has a cosmetic function. Only suggesting this because it's an incredibly safe/reassuring way to do it!
Whosbooze · 09/08/2021 14:03

@Goosethemoose

Ahh sorry *@66babe*, bit far for me!

@Whosbooze is it not a bit riskier at a training school? Or is it being done as a demo for trainees, and not by a trainee?

Done by trainees (always medical professionals) with a trainer overseeing.
HitsAndMrs · 09/08/2021 14:22

I love botox in the forehead but I will never get it done around my eyes again because I think that's when it looks frozen. It looks more natural if you don't have your smile lines/eye wrinkles.

SuperSketchy · 09/08/2021 14:30

I had Botox a couple of months ago.

I didn't know you weren't allowed to:

  • lie down for a few hours after
  • drink any alcohol the day before or day after
  • do strenuous exercise for 24 hours after

I did drink alcohol! Not huge amounts but a couple of glasses of wine the night before and one the day I'd had it (Botox in the morning, wine in the evening). Also did strenuous exercise a little over 24 hours after. Obviously this wasn't communicated to me by the practitioner and also, I very stupidly hadn't done my research.

Very lucky for me, I've had good results and no I'll effects except feeling a bit dizzy and out of it for a day or two and my forehead looks quite good. However, I don't think it's made a big enough difference for me to do it again. There's the expense, but worse than that was the anxiety about eyelid droop! I didn't want to have to explain to everyone that I'd had it and that's why my eyes had gone weird. I'm a little older than the op (37), but I don't think my wrinkles are a big enough issue to go through the expense and stress of having it done. If your wrinkles are truly causing you distress, then it's worth it, but for me it really wasn't. I suppose as a preventative measure to stop me getting wrinkles it might be good, but again, I don't think I'm bothered enough about the idea of wrinkles...yet. Maybe in my forties or fifties I'll change my tune!

QueenBee52 · 09/08/2021 14:34

stupid question alert ...

when you get it done.. and then feel it needs a top up..

where does the botox originally put in go ? does it just dissolve or something.. Im interested in trying it but feel a bit.. not sure what to ask etc 😳

Whosbooze · 09/08/2021 19:21

Queeenbee yes it dissipates/your body gets rid of it.

QueenBee52 · 09/08/2021 19:54

@Whosbooze

Queeenbee yes it dissipates/your body gets rid of it.

ooh great.. thank you

I have deep frown lines in the forehead.. sounds like botox would be just the thing 🌸

Secretsout · 09/08/2021 20:09

I administer Botox.

Some myths:

You can't lie down or lean forward for 4 hours. Not true and old research. The toxin is not going to spread around the back of your head! We know that the toxin uptake is within about 30 minutes so you can't affect it after that.

You can't drink alcohol. True. But only because alcohol is more likely to cause you bruising. It's absolutely nothing to do with the Botox itself.

Frozen look. If you have very strong muscles then the injector may have to give you a stronger dose to achieve a satisfactory result that lasts the optimal time. To achieve this you may initially look 'tight' or 'frozen'. If they give you a 'lighter' dose, it just won't give you the results.

Allergies/reactions: these are extremely rare. There are very few people who are 'allergic' to Botox. However, you can have a reaction to the complexing proteins so this is why your practitioner will check your allergy status.

Cosmetic doses of Toxin are tiny and there's absolutely no evidence to suggest it goes systemic in these doses. It's a drug that is purely local to the muscle (it's more complicated than this but I won't explain)

My advice is to go for a consultation with a nurse, doctor or dentist. Remember that Botox is a POM and must be prescribed for you following a face to face consultation with a qualified prescriber. You cannot have a video or phone all with a prescriber and then have a non prescriber administer it to you.

If you have any questions, please ask.

66babe · 09/08/2021 20:13

@Secretsout I mentioned before a friend of mine having bilateral weird swelling above the eyebrows .. which never went away ... like a ledge almost ? What is the cause of this please in your experience?

QueenBee52 · 09/08/2021 20:18

@Secretsout

Thank you so much... this is invaluable info.. 🌸

Secretsout · 09/08/2021 20:21

@66babe difficult to say without seeing it but could possibly be the interplay with other adjoining muscle action.

Sometimes I get a small lump over one brow and sometimes it twitches a bit 🥴 Easily fixed with a tiny dose to further relax the muscle

katieg03 · 09/08/2021 20:21

I'm 36 and been having it in my 11s and forehead for 2/3 years obviously had a break during covid and i missed it. My skin is so much better. I am a real squinter. I love it. I haven't had any lip fillers I'm waaaaaay to pussy for that lol. It's painless and i love the way my skin looks fresher and i don't look so tired. I've been id'd for alcohol 3 times the last month so maybe it's worked hahaha but honestly my face isn't stuck

Itsbeen84yearss · 09/08/2021 20:26

I love mine. It always last really well on me ( 4-6 months) but I always had proper branded allergen Botox. Then I went for a cheap deal ( with a nurse) on dyasport and it literally lasted a week so it was very much false economy. I use a nurse practitioner and proper Botox. That being said some people have better results with other brands so it can be trial and error with different products

Secretsout · 09/08/2021 20:41

Also to add:

The three main toxins - Botox, Azzalure and Bocouture are botulinum toxin type A. They just contain different complexing proteins so they have a slightly different mode of action. They differ in cost price with Botox being the most expensive.

Dysport is the 'medical' brand of 'cosmetic' Azzalure so if you've had Dysport you've had Azzalure.

There are very few people who are truly resistant to any of them. Poor results are usually from under dosing or a natural fact that we all respond different to drugs and some of us done have as good a result.

If you have a good effective result at 14-21 days you know it works. If it's worn off at 6+ weeks it's you and not the toxin or the injector