Anyone following Caroline Hirons regime

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Been doing it approx a month.
My make up is sliding off as I have so much stuff underneath during the day
Massive spots on my neck due to her advice to TITTT!
Enjoying double cleanse but skin is not great.
Does it take ages to transform me into a glowy beauty ?

Her actual guide is plain and simple.
So... the rest of it is just gumph!
I wish more people would notice.

the thing is people expect too much of non prescription skincare.

All non prescription skincare can do is -

1. remove makeup/sweat/dirt- cleanser/clarifying mask
2. add some moisture to your skin- which is essential for winter and also required to help makeup stay on- serum, sheet masks, facial oil, moisturizer and what you use depends on what you need at that point in time.
3. give a bit of glow - serum, sheet masks, facial oil, moisturizer, maybe Vit C, exfoliants
4. dry up spots to a certain extent/help spots go away faster- salicylic acid, kaolin, benzoyl peroxide, niacinamide
5. SPF- prevent sun damage/skin cancer

I don't actually think it would do anything else other than these limited properties. Of course, its really important to do all the above because if you wear makeup, makeup doesn't look nice on dry and flaky skin. So its Cleanse, moisturize, protect, slough away some dead skin cells, help acne to dry up? I don't see how this should cost multiple £60 products.

I am interested in someone who really gives good non biased skincare advice to 40+ women. Now that would help me lots, particularly adding prescription retinol products as I hear they’re important though haven’t a clue.

@justanotherneighinparadise

I am interested in someone who really gives good non biased skincare advice to 40+ women. Now that would help me lots, particularly adding prescription retinol products as I hear they’re important though haven’t a clue.

Nadine Baggott

Is there anyone out there who is genuinely natural who is offering advice? It’s obvious NB has had work done. I really want to take advice from someone who looks great following their own advice, not following a trip to a cosmetic surgeon or similar.

@WowStarsWow

The thing is, Caroline is a good saleswoman. She exists to sell people things, expensive things, so she has to make up all these rules that you must spend X on your skin and you must use Y number of products. That's how she makes her money.

Personally it boggles my mind why anyone would trust someone with no qualifications for skincare. Especially when the only things that are proven to help with real skincare issues are prescription medication.

I couldn't agree more. From her website, CH is a qualified esthetician and has done some "training" with brands. So she isn't trained to give skincare advice, she isn't a dermatologist, and she has only really been "trained" to get to know some products so she can shill them for specific brands.

As another poster has said, you need to introduce skincare slowly. I have read that ideally you need to give a new product a month of use before introducing another one in to your routine. So really you'd only be able to introduce 12 products over the course of a year. However, that wouldn't make much money for the beauty industry, would it? So saleswomen like CH recommend complicated routines with lots of products, conveniently forgetting to mention that their skin looks so good because they get Botox. Sali Hughes is the same. CH has been put on a pedestal, as if she is some kind of skincare guru, but she only knows how to get you to buy more and more products. That is what some posters here, myself included, are pushing back on.

NB does actually knows what she is talking about though.
I don’t think it matters what she uses to preserve her looks... all skincare works differently on different skin.
I can take her advice & try her suggestions comfortably.
She also talks a fair bit about budget skincare lines/ lots from Superdrug.

I just wanted to return to this thread to recommend Dr. Sam Bunting on Youtube. Her recommendations are very much rooted in the science and she tends to recommend products at all price points. From her recommendations I realised that all my skin really needs is niacinamide and retinaldehyde and a moisturiser and cleanser that maintains barrier function (Cetaphil) and it's happy. :)

@stripeyd I thought double cleansing was washing your entire face twice. I don't count a little miscellar water on my lashes as a full-on second cleanse.

@withlotsoflove

NB does actually knows what she is talking about though. I don’t think it matters what she uses to preserve her looks... all skincare works differently on different skin. I can take her advice & try her suggestions comfortably. She also talks a fair bit about budget skincare lines/ lots from Superdrug.

Nadine Baggott is a beauty journalist, she isn't qualified to be en expert on skincare, the same as CH. Please let me know if I am wrong. I'm not saying that you can only give advice if you are a qualified dermatologist, I just don't think it's enough to say you are an expert in skincare without having any actual qualifications to back that up. CH, NB, SH, etc, are held up as experts but they are not. They are experts in selling products only.

Is Sali Hughes botoxed?

Yes she is. CH and SH refer to it as "baby Botox", which is absolute rubbish. It's still Botox, whatever the amount.

I agree with u. Not more of an expert in that respect. However, over the years she has managed to learn a fair bit about ingredients and how they work scientifically.
She is knowledgeable about how various products fix problem skin issues too.
Also she is far , far more palatable than CH!

SH has definitely had Botox. "A weak dilute" I believe was the term used.
Looking at pictures of her from 5 years ago and now, it's clear she's had several tweaks, if not outright surgery. No shade from me, to each their own. I think she looks great.

But the cognitive dissonance between shilling snake oil and not declaring that you have work done is pretty big. The same with CH - I honestly don't really care how she looks, but it's arrant nonsense that she can speak truthfully about SO MANY products.

They both throw in sops to drugstore brands from time to time to make it look like they're being inclusive, but with so much free stuff at their disposal I doubt hugely that their make up bags are full of anything but high end.

@hopefulness

I just wanted to return to this thread to recommend Dr. Sam Bunting on Youtube. Her recommendations are very much rooted in the science and she tends to recommend products at all price points. From her recommendations I realised that all my skin really needs is niacinamide and retinaldehyde and a moisturiser and cleanser that maintains barrier function (Cetaphil) and it's happy. :)

@stripeyd I thought double cleansing was washing your entire face twice. I don't count a little miscellar water on my lashes as a full-on second cleanse.

Lovely, that’s exactly the kind of recommendation I was looking for 👌

Dr Sam Bunting isn't a dermatologist. She is a medical doctor with an interest in dermatology. I always think it's shady that she never makes that clear.

You can do Caroline Hirons for less than half the money. However she is open about the fact she prefers premium products.

Also once you have done cleanser (cheap, it stays on your face for seconds), acid, retinol, SPF and moisturiser of your choice then you have done 99% of the stuff there is evidence for. Bonus points for Vit C, niacinamide and ceramides.

You can probably whittle this down to v few products, all of which cost less than a Sunday Riley one.

Dr Sam Bunting's videos are v clear - she may not be a consultant dermatologist but as she isn't spending her time dealing with skin cancer, she doesn't really need to be. Anyone who has done enough acne clinics and general dermatology could prob do what she has done - she has built her brand v well.

@Housewife2010

Dr Sam Bunting isn't a dermatologist. She is a medical doctor with an interest in dermatology. I always think it's shady that she never makes that clear.

Oh wow.... glad I haven't spent £10000s on her products

CH doesn’t get my vote because I genuinely think her skin looks shit
So in the same way I wouldn’t buy make up from someone with poorly applied clown make up I don’t heed CH

I read Beautipedia and find it a good source of info but still don’t really rate Paula’s Choice
I have botox and find it and a prescription retinol makes a huge difference to wrinkles and skin texture
My cleanser is Squalene from the Ordinary
Then Avene super sensitive cleanser
I use the Avene water spray too
I usually use retinol in the evening
In the morning I use Avene again plus the Ordinary Niacinamide and KissmyFace SPF

The 2x per year botox and retinol are the only expensive parts of the routine
I have had fillers before around 2 years ago and might do so again

I have loosely followed her for years since before she became so big. I definitely credit her with educating me with some info about skincare and really liked her cheat-sheets etc. I just never liked how she always only raved about the extortionately priced brands and seemed to look down upon any more budget brands-I tend to mix my skincare between expensive and cheap-depends on what I like. I am on the CH Freaks group and I find it so off-putting and quite disturbing-so many followers seem to have no mind of their own, calling her their 'Queen' and blindly accepting that what she says goes. I've seen posters post about a product they love and all these people will reply saying not to use it as Caroline doesn't like it! I cant stand how so many people on it can't think for themselves. Saying that, I have nothing against Caroline personally and don't think its nice when people comment about her skin/looks-its just the 'cult' mentality I have a problem with.