Anyone following Caroline Hirons regime

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Been doing it approx a month.
My make up is sliding off as I have so much stuff underneath during the day
Massive spots on my neck due to her advice to TITTT!
Enjoying double cleanse but skin is not great.
Does it take ages to transform me into a glowy beauty ?

@AsPerMyLastEmail it is basically cleansing twice, ideally using a cleansing balm/oil first time and a more mild cleanser afterwards. The idea of this is when you wear a face full of makeup over spf and with pollution too then one cleanse may not remove all the grime. Cleansing balms literally melt off all the makeup/spf off then you should rinse and then follow up with a gentle cleanser. On days I’m not wearing makeup/spf then I don’t double cleanse and certainly do t double cleanse in the morning

Thank you both!

A sales assistant in SpaceNK was eulogising to me once about double shampooing. Yes, you pay for two shampoos.

The best cleansing balm I’ve tried is from banila co and is called clean it zero. I got it from amazon and it is really well reviewed.

I prefer James Walsh over Caroline. His videos on youtube are good and he recommends Korean skincare which is so much cheaper than the brands that Caroline recommends. The Korean brands are on cultbeauty and usually quite cheap and very good

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Would someone mind explaining to me what double cleaning is?

Basically you pay for two cleansers.

Yes. But for good reason.

Double cleansing should happen in the evening.

First, and oil cleanser breaks down make up and sunscreen. Second, cleanses all of that off.

Op, I'm not surprised your make-up is sliding off if you are using a facial oil! Apparently they aren't necessary. Like another poster mentioned earlier, I also prefer to follow dermatologists on social media. My favourite is Dr. Dray, her videos on YouTube are very informative and she isn't paid by brands to promote their overpriced products. Her Instagram stories are also great, you can send her derm related questions and she answers them!

Op, I'm not surprised your make-up is sliding off if you are using a facial oil! Apparently they aren't necessary. Like another poster mentioned earlier, I also prefer to follow dermatologists on social media. My favourite is Dr. Dray, her videos on YouTube are very informative and she isn't paid by brands to promote their overpriced products. Her Instagram stories are also great, you can send her derm related questions and she answers them!

@applepineapple

Skip CH routine. Keep it simple and introduce products slowly

Cleanse
Hyaluronic acid
Moisturiser if you need it
SPF

Double cleanse
Hyaluronic acid
Retinol 2/3 times a week
Moisturiser

That IS CH routine. And Nadine Baggott's. And Sali Hughes.

@cloud1183 I also prefer James Walsh, but did spend a long time thinking he was both a skincare and makeup expert before realising he was a twin

*Yes. But for good reason.

Double cleansing should happen in the evening.

First, and oil cleanser breaks down make up and sunscreen. Second, cleanses all of that off.*

Not really. The tradition comes from Japan, where camellia oil was used, to remove heavy make up and for massage.

Today's formulations of both, cleansers and sun screen, are made so a cleaner can take off make up and sun screen.

We are being sold more and more products and as a result many consumers suffer increasingly sensitive skin, just because we pile up the products. Two cleansers, acid toner, hydrating serums, essence, oils, retinol, vit C, moisturiser, hyaluronic acid, what else?

I always double cleanse now. When I cleansed once it didn’t remove all my makeup and when I wiped my face with a cotton pad make up was still on my face. I agree though that people use too much product. If your skin is plump and not dry then there’s no need to slather on oils because Caroline says so.

I totally agree with the too many products thing, however my skin was absolutely horrendous before I started a multi-step routine.

Red, dehydrated, blackheads, wrinkles hormonal acne, flaky patches - I could go on! I was at my wits end. I now do a 5-10 step routine morning and night (depending on what’s going on with my face) and it’s honestly sorted my skin out so much.

I’m starting to scale back a bit now I understand what works and what doesn’t, but I don’t think I’ll ever be able to go back to cleanse/tone/moisturise. My skin goes bananas if I do!

I personally can't do double cleaning, it breaks me out too much and in a way where I know it isn't just purging.

Now I just use a gentle cleanser (CeraVe) and massage it in for around a minute with my fingertips and then rinse. I also use micellar water just for my eye makeup. In the mornings I just wash my face with water. My skin cleared up so much with just that change.

@hopefulness with skincare you have to do what suits you as every skin is different. I’ve made the mistake of spending good money on products recommended by CH as being holy grails and they have wrecked my skin or broke me out in spots.

I think it's good to have a routine which works for you. I use mostly Korean brands now which are really inexpensive in comparison when bought via eBay. With the odd bit of Paulas Choice.
I'm in the Freaks group but I'm not into all the fangirling.
I'm not a huge fan of CH because I do think like so many she is in the pay of particular brands and I don't feel able to trust her recommendations.
However, she is a perfect example of the truth of skincare - outside smoking, alcohol and sun damage, your genes play a huge part in your ageing. Apart from Tret and Botox etc not much can make dramatic changes. It's really unfair when people castigate her for looking old or having bad skin...

@hopefulness

I personally can't do double cleaning, it breaks me out too much and in a way where I know it isn't just purging.

Now I just use a gentle cleanser (CeraVe) and massage it in for around a minute with my fingertips and then rinse. I also use micellar water just for my eye makeup. In the mornings I just wash my face with water. My skin cleared up so much with just that change.

That's double cleansing! Two cleansers...

the excess and buying frenzy makes me feel a bit sick. Women buying hundreds of products and hiding statements from their partners. I'm not a fan of this culture.

Agree. I'm all for taking care of our skin, but most women would do better to get a Dermatica script and put the rest in a pension.

@Rocaille

the excess and buying frenzy makes me feel a bit sick. Women buying hundreds of products and hiding statements from their partners. I'm not a fan of this culture.

Agree. I'm all for taking care of our skin, but most women would do better to get a Dermatica script and put the rest in a pension.

@rocaille I have said this several times in the group (imo unless you are earning 6 figures, you really can't afford to be throwing money away) but women have almost always said its their money and they can afford it.

Oh and it is feminism for women to be empowered to buy as many products as they fancy even its hundreds of £60 serums. I am not a fan of this kind of feminism.

The vast collections of products amaze me, I'm a reasonably high earner and don't share finances with anyone so I feel comfortable spending £60 or even £70 on a serum if I feel I need it, but one at a time and it had better work. To have maybe 6 serums on rotation, all degrading over time (even airless pumps and the like go off) and a draw full of acid toners etc. products bought and then forgotten about when the next new thing comes along, it's just excessive and wasteful.

It's incredibly consumeristic and immature.

I don't have time to do more than cleanse and moisturise my face.
I do use a premium cleanser and moisturiser. Have used it since I was 21.
I had/have PCOS. I had more spots before 21 - I used to use loads of products on my face.
There is no need for all this stuff. Save your money and buy a good cleanser that doesn't strip your skin.
CH and anyone touting lots of products will have a financial insterest in getting you to buy them..

I enjoy spending the time. Each evening after my bath I moisturise with this amazing smelling body cream and do my skincare routine sitting on my bed with canfles. I really enjoy it.

I do try to use everything I buy - I have lots of products but none are just sitting there. I've had a really challenging year with health conditions and I live with a lot of pain and a toddler (!), I know my skin would be fine if I just used nivea but I enjoy the ritual and pampering of it.

Candles*

The Facebook group is a horrible place to hang out. Like a bunch of bitchy 6th formers!
The advice she gives( regarding those expensive products) is bizarre/ particularly as she actually knows what a good routine should look like!
It’s just bitch!bitch!bitch! £££

And the thing is that she always insinuates that you don't care about your skin if you don't spend good money on it. She once equated spending £200 on a handbag to skincare spending. Never mind that handbags can be used for years.

I have a pretty extensive routine (nowhere as long as hers) and i use stuff like simple cleansing oil, bull dog cleanser ( both under £5), the ordinary salicylic acid face mask, hado labo lotion, german drugstore facial oil, weleda skin food, biore sunscreen, superdrug hydrating serum, bravura london/the ordinary acids, dermatica retinol. Most of my products with the exception of dermatica dont cost more than £10. There are also plenty of lovely korean/japanese skincare products that don't cost the earth so unless you really are very rich and don't know what to do with your money, I don't see why women should be encouraged en masse to spend and buy extensive collections of £££ skincare products. Its like encouraging every woman to do all their grocery shopping at harrods food hall. IRL, most sane people would think an average earner is mad if they buy all their food at harrods food hall when there is tesco/sainsbury/aldi. Why shouldn't it be the same for skincare?

The thing is, Caroline is a good saleswoman. She exists to sell people things, expensive things, so she has to make up all these rules that you must spend X on your skin and you must use Y number of products. That's how she makes her money.

Personally it boggles my mind why anyone would trust someone with no qualifications for skincare. Especially when the only things that are proven to help with real skincare issues are prescription medication.