What are surgeons doing to these girls faces?

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Kylie Jenner - i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9124424.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Kylie-Jenner-Main.jpg

Megan Barton - cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/Love-Island-2018-Megan-Barton-Hanson-s-unrecognisable-snap-is-a-picture-of-her-aged-12-984250.jpg?r=1530821463226

Celebrities never talk or properly open up about what surgeries they've had (I don't blame them). I can't work out what they then have had done? I really am unhappy with the way I look and see girls go through transformations like this but don't know what it is I should be looking for.. Does anyone know or can tell what surgeries Kylie Jenner and Megan Barton have had done? I can see the obvious like lips and nose.. But then I'm just truly boggled, how does Megan's face look so different? It can't just be lips and nose...

I think styling is everything , she has brown skin and yellow hair and a nose job and lip fillers but I don't think much else more .
Eyebrows etc make a lot of difference to how your face looks .
Veneers will obvious make a big difference but why any young person would file down their own teeth is way beyond me .

hebdrick they are saving up so many problems for later life. The one veneer I have was absolutely fine until my late twenties. Then I had to have it replaced due to some gum recession then I had to have a root canal on the tooth it covered as the dentist filed it down and exposed the pulp 🙄 Plus I’m really prone to gingivitis around that tooth due to the crown.

So these people are totally mad and my kids will be getting a gobful if veneers over my dead body. I’d rather they had head to toe tattoos.

@SleepFreeZone they remove all the baby hairs of their face to make the makeup stay better.

@SleepFreeZone I agree .. it's bonkers . I doubt her teeth were that bad before !!... the fashion for fake white teeth fathoms me anyways . They look like false teeth from the 70's unless done really really well.

how awful that people put themselves through this to feel like they deserve their place in the world. and i say this as someone who has a rhinoplasty when i was far too young - it didn't make me happy or like myself more. please look for your happiness elsewhere. i know it's hard but this is just barbaric levels of intervention (i'd not have even a nose job now). there is a lot more to being a valuable person than your jawline.

and Megan is an absolute prime example of a girl with low self esteem who could have every part of her body stitched with sequins and still will be a bottomless pit for male validation. she's utterly feckless because she needs that attention like air because her self esteem is in the toilet. from what i've seen of snippets of kylie jenner she also has a very warped view of herself and her position. it's all an illusion - this isn't how to be happy. it's a tragedy and a growing epidemic.

In those two photos of Megan (who is she btw?)posted half way down the thread, I'm not sure which is the before and which is the after - which is it?

I can't tell which are the before and after pictures

It must be awful to be them, attractive in the first place but so unhappy with it

@Penny Carbonara, thank you! Really enjoyed that vid, you're so right and also her tips are amazing

I think megan looks good for it. Whoever her plastic surgeon is I think they did a good job. Considering how full her lips are (fillers or not) whoever did the procedure seems to be quite skilled because its not lumpy at all.

When I watched the video I thought it was old until she mentioned her baby. Loads of lip filler but I'm not convinced there's much more - if there is it's quite subtle and very good. She's really very very pretty. Always think the Jenner girls the most attractive of that clan

Megan looks prettier now, however it's not natural and not how she should really look. It seems anyone can buy looks if they have the money for it. It's not natural beauty and not how God made her.

So only 'real beauty' is valid. God women are really dammed either way

If you can afford to make yourself look better why not,
Some girls are pretty anyway and dont need all the surgery etc, but for more plain Janes why not help your looks

For one reason your children may look very different to how you look now . Wasn't there that lawsuit in the Far East because the man said his children were ugly and his wife admitted she had surgery . Bit extreme but I'm sure some people would feel like that too.

I'm still staggered by chocolates post......pretty damn misogynistic

Dunno who Megan is, but that just looks like a less flattering photo without makeup compared to a more flattering photo with makeup!

Got to admit, Kylie is one of those rare examples where surgery has made quite a positive difference, just in terms of her chin which was quite strong to the point it kind of dominated her face. I'm generally not keen on surgery but I can see the point of it where you have one feature like a very big chin or nose that rather dominates. Don't see why she had any of the other stuff done, as the rest looked fine to me - she didn't need to go full Bratz doll.

It's just a strongly religious viewpoint. They could say the same about men who'd had plastic surgery.

@chocolatecoffeeadict RE: "Megan looks prettier now, however it's not natural and not how she should really look. It seems anyone can buy looks if they have the money for it. It's not natural beauty and not how God made her." - I don't understand how that's relevant to this post which is specifically about surgery?

You sound opposed to someone having a look that they weren't born with, are you against tattoos? piercings? Permanent hair dying? Permanent make up? ...What exactly is your point?

Op you can get Botox in the jaw which takes a few weeks or so to see the effects as it effectively stops the muscle from being used and therefore your jaw reduces in size and becomes more feminine. That's a good option instead of jaw surgery.

I also feel that cheekbone filler really lifts and changes a face so you could also go for that

I think they looked lovely before. I think they look lovely now. But, plastic surgery does often tend to be "addictive" & it often slowly starts to look unreal, especially as the person ages. Male or female. Natural aging looks much more beautiful, on anyone, IMHO.

Hair dye isn't permanent though, is it? It grows out. Even makeup tattoos are generally temporary, as they are only very shallow (AFAIK) so they last about 1-2 years?

@Jozxyqk you can apply the same to some plastic surgery, dental bonding, implant and fillers are all reversible... Even tattoos can be removed and plastic surgeries can usually be fixed to look more like before if the person is not happy with them. I'm not really trying to make a point about the permanency of these things. I was addressing @chocolatecoffeeadict's comment, it seemed to be insinuating unnatural is not good but with no expansion or explanation on that....