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Le ridicule ne tue pas....les Parisiennes de Mumsnet

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AuldAlliance · 02/02/2018 13:34

New thread for those hoping to add a bit of Parisian je ne sais quoi and je m'en fous to their style.

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Floisme · 05/02/2018 14:35

Theship my love for wide legs is well documented but I agree, they're polarised at the moment between ankle length and ultra long. Now I like a bit of comedy fashion more than some of you but even I'm a bit flummoxed by dragging-one-the-floor trews - the only purpose I can think of is that they're code for 'I've got a limo outside.' For standard full length I would probably keep an eye on Uniqlo, who follow trends but are also pragmatic, and places like M&S Autograph.

Elle I don't know either of those brands but they look nice to me and I do think that, with trousers, it's worth spending as much as you can afford.

Proper I'm going to out myself as a lover of men's waistcoats although I've never had a leather one. I have to admit I've not worn one recently, even though I'm into androgyny. I'd like to believe it's because I'm not sure if they would suit me any more - the last time I wore one, I had the curves of an ironing board - but the truth is that, if they come back into fashion, I'll be straight in there. Blush In fact I'm going to dig one out later and try.

ProperLavs · 05/02/2018 15:11

Yay flo. I have a look in my mind you see. I have no curves, no bust and thought one would look good over a shirt. In the 90’s I had a beautiful tan suede waistcoat, I wore it all the time.
The reason I am thinking about them is that I tried on a really unusual leather Reiss leather waistcoat/ jacket in an antique emporium. It was a bit of a strange shape on me- probably needed someone with a busy. But it got me thinking.....

ProperLavs · 05/02/2018 15:14

These threads have helped me think outside the fashion box actually. I think if you can carry something off and it makes you feel good then if matters not one jot if it’s in fashion.

BagelGoesWalking · 05/02/2018 16:51

Placemarking with a Sainsbury's 🥖

AuldAlliance · 05/02/2018 17:09

Thanks for the Printemps tip, bo, will bear it in mind once my finances recover from paying a whack of income tax and from the bits of my US trip that I have to pay out of my own pocket. That'll be April, then...

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botemp · 05/02/2018 17:41

I'm with flo that statement trousers are worth spending a bit on as the high street economises on the two most important aspects to make it at democratic prices, namely sharper tailoring and fabric. Investing in a more fashion silhouette like the Osman ones I'd only go for if it was particularly flattering on me beyond today.

I do also think if it's your first foray (back) into the silhouette, then perhaps, it's best to go the high street route to start off with. As mentioned above MD always has loads of wide-leg styles, regardless of whether it's in fashion or not. Spanish brands in general always have a bit of it, Uterque is another one to look at. Mango always has Palazzos in summer but they're usually crappy fabrics. Someone mentioned Adolfo Dominguez a few threads back, I'm sure they'd have some options too.

Elle, I'm going to PM you two trouser options from eBay that may work for you.

My reaction to leather waistcoats says more about me than you, Proper. They're a shape that flatter few, they can make you top heavy in the bosom and/or shoulder area depending on cut, whether you button them up or not also would make a difference I suppose. But if they do flatter you, absolutely, go for it. As an IT I think I'd look for ones that are cut slimmer at the top, similar to a racerback.

ProperLavs · 05/02/2018 18:14

Thanks bo I was thinking more along the card shark dealer lines as well . crumbs I would be delighted if anything enhanced my bust!

Theshipsong · 05/02/2018 20:33

Somebody on here recommended a good grey colour jeans a while back. I don’t suppose anyone can remember the brand by any chance?

MD’s offering of (full length) wide leg trousers this season are white. Lovely as they are, I live somewhere that the sun seems to forget when everywhere else people are donning sunglasses and admiring each other’s sandals.

Laska5772 · 05/02/2018 20:43

I have given upon the Blazer idea . ( i am just too unfashionably busty to pull it off as a look with jeans ) Sad .But today I bought this long wool gilet . I think its tres chic! What do you think?

ProperLavs · 05/02/2018 21:25

My initial investigations Into finding a seamstress who could alter a Lined Jaeger jacket haven't been encouraging. She said I would be looking at paying upwards of ££70😕

MidLifeCrisis2017 · 05/02/2018 21:55

Good grief...I had a quick browse of charity shops and men's jackets were only around £7. The only part that needed altering was the shoulders as I have orangutan arms. £70 is excessive.

Tell me, does the old man smell disappear once the jacket has been dry cleaned? My last purchase was 1982 but the smell memory came flooding back!

Floisme · 05/02/2018 23:58

Ouff that sounds steep Proper I think the most I have ever paid was £60 and that was for multiple jobs. I guess the rate varies across the country and it's not very affluent here but even so. I'd definitely get another opinion.

Ah yes the smell of human - and not just of old human I have to add, in fact I would say young smokers are the worst. If anyone is in any doubt about our relationship with the apes I would recommend, not Darwin but a spot of second hand shopping. It's the main reason why I will never buy this stuff online.

These days if something does 't pass the sniff test, I only risk it if it's spectacular and unique - say one of Grace Kelly's outfits in 'Rear Window' which is clearly never going to happen. When I was young and had fewer clothes and more tolerance, I came to the conclusion that there were 3 main types of smell [Gross alert - feel free to stop here]

That damp, mildewy smell was, I found, the easiest to shift - often just removing from the shop reduced it by 50% and there was a reasonable chance that a good blowout on the washing line followed by dry cleaning (or if delicate a soak or swish in something - lots of 'recipes' online) would do the rest.
Then you get stale cigarette odours - truly vile and, if engrained may never shift in my experiences.
And then sometimes you might encounter a bad case of - - well - B.O. I can't help with that as I always put it straight back.

Just to be clear, I'm no professional - that's just what I've picked up along the way as a punter.

ProperLavs · 06/02/2018 06:49

yes, I thought it was steep too. Will have to carry on investigating. A whole new world has opened now I can look any men's clothes! Still I need to get the the right seamstress in place ( the hunt continues).

Floisme · 06/02/2018 07:36

Sorry if that was too much information re smells and the human condition Blush We'd been watching some old 'Silent Witnesses' back to back and I think it brought on an attack of existentialism. I would summarise my advice as, 'Put it back - something else will be along shortly.'

ToElleWithIt · 06/02/2018 08:22

Floisme I love your vivid explanation of the smells. I smiled reading that! Thanks for the thoughts on the trousers. I've ordered an eBay pair from botemp's links (less wide and longer) and will see how I get on with the silhouette before taking the plunge.

botemp Thanks for the links. Funny that you should mention Pierre Hermé. I have his book on the desk next to me. I'm planning on making macarons for my friend's hen party - which starts with an afternoon tea. I've been practicing for the last few weeks. They're tricky things to get just right. I'm trying to figure out the timing for making shells and fillings to have them ready for Saturday.

ProperLavs Yikes that is expensive. Although I guess it's a lot of work.

Hiut jeans arrived. I'm going to return and order the bigger size 10 option. The smaller ones fit my waist, but feel very tight over my hips. I suspect that the bigger ones will have a bit of waist gape going on so ultimately I may be better sticking to jeans with a bit of stretch. This was the coda style with no stretch.

Freezing here today so I'm wearing my chunky boots and rather than skinnies I'm wearing girlfriend jeans with the turn up sitting on top of the boot. I think it actually works better on me and looks more current. Don't know why I never thought of this before!

Bloomed · 06/02/2018 09:38

Love your description flo. I'm tired of buying secondhand stuff online listed as new/very good condition and realising when it arrives that it's impregnated with weird odours which have been topped off with half a bottle of febreze Envy I need better charity shops!

EdinaMonsoon · 06/02/2018 10:50

Just a quick stopover - haven't caught up with the thread yet :).

Elle definitely agree on spending more on tailored trousers once you know the style is for you. I have two pairs of Isabel Marant trousers & a pair from MaxMara all different styles which are the most perfect & flattering fit. But I first spent a couple of months wearing cheaper versions of the styles from Topshop, M&S and Zara to be sure the style was for me. Also, if you can find the brand you want in a real life store then you can have them tweaked here & there if necessary to ensure they are truly great on you. My local designer store offers alterations for free on all but sales stock. In terms of high street stores for wide leg styles, Zara is great for these and last season Topshop had a wide-leg crepe version which were cropped but not that weird mid-calf style (which I think is rarely flattering on anyone). M&S did an excellent full-length version last year but they sold out within days. They are very Kathrine Hepburn with pleat front & deep pockets. I foolishly bought and wore the 8 and realised too late that actually a 10 would be marginally more flattering so I'm keeping an eye on eBay for a replacement pair. If you follow blogs, Does My Bum Look 40 regularly features wide-leg styles. Found these in Zara for you. Trinny has recently been extolling the virtues of a brand called Piazza Sempione but I don't have any direct experience of them.

Regarding alterations/tailoring costs: Often there is a lot more work involved than might appear obvious. A well-made jacket will have layers of lining, interlining, pad-stitching etc. To maintain the original shape but reduce the size, all of these things would need to be replicated/re-worked so it isn't always as simple as we might think. If it takes a tailor a full 7-hour day to re-size your jacket, that's still only paying them £10 per hour for their labour & any material costs such as replacement thread, interfacing etc.

To go back to the previous thread for a minute, I have found a great alternative to the 501's for those who want the loose straight leg style but fitted on waist & hip. Zara again . Ignore the weird way the model is standing! They are mid-rise on me but would likely fit higher on those of you not "blessed" with a long torso Wink. 100% cotton and so divine that I wanted to wear them immediately (currently sporting them with suede ankle boots, APC-alike plaid blouse & black fitted polo layered beneath).

EdinaMonsoon · 06/02/2018 10:56

Oh & regarding "odours" so beautifully described by Flo :) I find that Persil Silk & Wool and Persil Bio Liquid are both great for removing that "damp, mildewy" aroma on anything that can be hand or machine-washed.

botemp · 06/02/2018 12:20

ship, was it Reiko by any chance? It's possible I mentioned it as they always have good grey coloured denim in the collection.

I've forgotten the stock on MD isn't the same in the UK as the rest of Europe, I have lots of long length options available on my end so I'd just check in a couple of weeks again. It's a bit of a lengthier process but it's worth wading through YOOX as well, as mentioned above Italian and Spanish brands always do wider length trousers regardless of fashion so there's always a few to be picked up there.

Proper, if you're anywhere near an area with a large migrant population they're always worth checking out for tailoring. Mine is of Turkish descent, it's run by a formidable woman and there's a long heritage of tailoring in Turkey. For years it was a bit of a scruffy looking place but she does excellent work at good prices and was recommended to me by the baker's wife who used to be a couture seamstress.

I kind of like old man smell Blush. However, I can't deal with signature fragrances lingering in items, though it may be Febreze, I'm not much of a perfume expert. Anyhow, anything that's heavily florally scented always makes me suspicious.

Ooh excited for your eBay purchases, Elle. I had a massive 'must master macarons' phase years ago. It's not that hard if you have the right equipment (Kitchenaid, digital thermometer, and a fan assisted oven, silicon mats are helpful too) but it is down to the prep and methodical persistence. I think PH suggests ageing a portion of the egg whites which does help but does require working ahead days in advance. The spoon in the oven door didn't really produce better results for me (or maybe that was just his choux recipe, that one I never got to work for me), processing the tant pour tant (the almonds and powdered sugar) together in a Magimix (or similar) was also helpful as professional use almond meal is much finer than the consumer stuff, also using icing sugar without cornstarch in it makes a difference too. Gel food colouring only and always use more than you think as the colour really mutes down after baking. I think the usual suggestion is to leave the shells to set for 30 mins before baking but you can leave it overnight but I'd test batch that first on your recipe just in case (you can keep them frozen as backups). If you're making a ganache type filling they're usually easy to make ahead, you can even freeze them but it takes a bit to defrost and also takes longer than you think to come up to room temp even from the fridge. It's probably a good idea to have some extra whipping cream on hand as an emergency filling, a bit of icing sugar and either some fresh vanilla seeds or cardamom it's whipped up in minutes, add some raspberries or other fruit. Nutella folded into whipped cream and a whole roasted hazelnut also works well in a pinch if you're making chocolate versions.

Fanny from www.likeastrawberrymilk.com/ has some great tips and did a lengthy stage at PH but the macarons may be on the previous blog, www.foodbeam.com/.

Funny that, in minus temperatures here too but thankfully very sunny and not so much wind. But coincidentally have been doing the chunkier boots with rolled up 501s too, I dug out my Chloe motor style ankle boots (a bit like the Jimmy Choo ones that reigned supreme for quite some time), they just weren't working with skinnies or opaques anymore, they used to balance me out better when I was bigger now it just looks off but I'm beyond delighted with how they look under the 501s, I actually really like it with no socks on display but that won't be happening anytime soon with temps as they are but I'm liking the potential for S/S.

WRT Piazza Siempone, they're nice enough but personally, I find them a bit overpriced for what it is. I do think it's probably a brand that suits Trinny's body shape and then that value for money argument usually flips. I think with trousers, especially, it's very much about both finding a silhouette that works best for you but also the brand that does that exceptionally well for you, usually those with a tailoring heritage excel at it, often Italian.

ToElleWithIt · 06/02/2018 13:38

Apologies for taking this horribly off topic

botemp - egg whites are already in the fridge. I am in possession of all the equipment! I'm struggling to find consensus on how long the unfilled shells can be kept before filling. Ideally I'd make the shells wednesday night and fill them Friday to allow the flavours to meld before serving Saturday. Would the shells be okay for 48 hours in the fridge in an airtight container? One of the fillings is a raspberry cream rather than a ganache so can only go in 24 hours before serving.

Thanks for the steer EdinaMonsoon I'll try to get into a MD or Zara soon. The Zara jeans look great actually.

MyNewHobbyIsGin · 06/02/2018 13:48

Edina I bought those Zara jeans - did you size up? I ordered a 36, and they didn't have the right shape on me. I'm going in store tomorrow to try a fitting on session to see if a bigger size might work. Before these threads I would never have thought of trying sizing up 1 or 2 sizes. I'm really keen to get good straight leg jeans this spring. My Gap Real Straight aren't cutting it anymore for some reason. I ordered another pair in black and the cut is now slightly different, but had them shortened and work ok as a cropped pair. Uniqlo Girlfriends are a good shape but too big on the waist, and denim content must be tiny as they bag at the knees something awful. I want to try some Levis as well. I fear my waist/hip ratio won't make this easy, all my Pinterest pins seem to be rather snake hipped!

quirkychick · 06/02/2018 14:03

Dry clean only things can be put in the drier with special dry clean sheets on low for 20mins. I don't think it would work on something really dirty but would refresh something musty. I get them from amazon, but reuse them with a little lavender oil, so they can be used lots of times. I agree that anything really smelly should probably be left behind!

botemp · 06/02/2018 15:06

Elle, I'd go freezer over fridge, they may become really difficult to handle after so many days. I'd make the ganache ones assembled on Wednesday and freeze them filled then take out on Friday and into the fridge to meld and defrost. The unfilled shells I'd stack between wax paper in a separate airtight container, then fill on Friday as planned, they'll probably be easier to handle when still frozen. Freezing macaron shells is quite common, you can buy them premade like that at restaurant supply supermarkets, it doesn't impact the taste or quality of the product.

Another tip, as helpful as wee hands may look in stacking macarons it usually results in a high destruction rate.

botemp · 06/02/2018 15:17

Also, totally off topic, I need to know what app creates this magic

Le ridicule ne tue pas....les Parisiennes de Mumsnet
quirkychick · 06/02/2018 16:39

Haha, one of my french exchange friends had a cat that looked like that (not wearing such a chic blazer, though) called Mignonne!

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