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Le ridicule ne tue pas....les Parisiennes de Mumsnet

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AuldAlliance · 02/02/2018 13:34

New thread for those hoping to add a bit of Parisian je ne sais quoi and je m'en fous to their style.

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quirkychick · 10/03/2018 14:19

I think a lot of french clothes laundry instructions err on the side of caution. Certainly, the children's clothes we have had are all strictly no tumble drying.

I like the idea of an H&M top with a best bra, flo Smile. I'm certainly trying to save less stuff for best and so mix and match more. So, I was at a parents' conference this morning, fairly casual, but took my (charity shop) red, gianni conti bag, which I normally save for going out. I've been wearing my Mongolian lamb scarf with everyday coats and jackets too.

kickingk16 · 10/03/2018 16:40

Thanks *Flo & *quirkychick. I used to wash things by hand until I got a washing machine with a decent delicates cycle. I usually put things in mesh bags, but I like the pillowcase idea.

I guess if things are better made in the first place, they probably last / wear much longer. Supports my recent resolve to buy less but buy better quality!

AuldAlliance · 10/03/2018 17:04

I don't know anyone here who owns a tumble drier (disclaimer: this is the south of France, so not necessarily illustrative of the whole nation). We still have cold winters, with rain and snow.
I think that line drying damages clothes less than tumble drying, so they look better longer. And if you don't tumble dry, you're more likely to have to iron stuff, even just a quick once over.
It's changing fast, but there was also less synthetic fabric here and more cotton, linen, etc. at reasonable prices, and people here have an eye for quality and will swoop.
I spotted the perfect organic cotton white V-neck l-s T-shirt in Monoprix the other day, the kind of basic that is like gold dust. Price: 12€99
None left in any size other than XL...

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ProperLavs · 10/03/2018 17:31

I won't tumble dry anything, always damages clothes, shrinks them, costs loads too!
I find myself hankering after your jacket auld

ProperLavs · 10/03/2018 18:00

Grr, just looked on the MD website for the uk. That jacket is in the sale at £69. If I translate the one for sale in euros it comes to £52! What a rip off for the uk residents Sad

AuldAlliance · 10/03/2018 18:30

I paid 69€95 for it, and 3€95 p&p, so 73€90 in all.
That's £65, according to the exchange rate site I looked at...which isn't the same one as you, because it says that 69€ is £61.30. Hmm
It is quite rigid wool, not soft like a cardigan style blazer, IYSWIM. But I really, really love the cut and colour. Didn't have time for pics today, will try to post one tomorrow.

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ProperLavs · 10/03/2018 19:42

auld the website says it's 59 eros ( confused)

AuldAlliance · 10/03/2018 19:54

Interesting. Which website is that?
In France, it's more

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ProperLavs · 11/03/2018 09:41

auld now I'm even more confused- your link says it's 59.95 Euros. Why did you pay more than that?

ProperLavs · 11/03/2018 09:42

there is a price difference between your first link and your second of 10 euros.

AuldAlliance · 11/03/2018 10:24

You're right.
The first link I posted was from the Spanish MD website, because I looked there idly after it was linked to by MidLifeCrisis. I then logged in and ordered the jacket using my existing ID, i.e. from the French MD website, where it is 10€ more...which I didn't immediately spot.
Sneaky buggers.

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ProperLavs · 11/03/2018 12:31

Really sneaky. I think I would have gone for it at 59.95 too.

MidLifeCrisis2017 · 11/03/2018 17:19

The Inditex group do a special price for Spain and Portugal, I believe.

Tanaqui · 11/03/2018 18:21

I like a bit of boiled wool, seems hard to get at the moment.

Bo, that skincare article was v interesting and definitely resonated with me- I buy make up and don’t wear it, switcher from embracing the grey to dying it out, and I am sure it is all to do with those conflicting inner voices as influenced as she describes.

Last summer I got 2 knee length sleeveless linen shifts, am hoping they will still be fab this year. Stil freezing at the moment though!

OCSockOrphanage · 11/03/2018 19:11

I thought the skincare article was interesting. Thanks, Bo for posting it.

What irritates me, in any skincare-medical discussion, is that no one ever makes the point that the skin is the body's single largest organ and one's barrier to everything in the outside world and real life, some of which is best kept at arm's length. So actually, in common sense terms, skin upkeep ought to be up there with the heart and lungs maintenance, but it's dismissed as woman pretty stuff, ergo trivial.

quirkychick · 12/03/2018 07:20

I love boiled wool too, I agree, Tanaqui it seems hard to get atm.

Interesting article, bo. OCSock that's true about skin being important, think those who have eczema etc. where the skin is broken and no longer acting as a protective barrier. Skin and hair are both reflectors of general health too, so keeping them "looking healthy" is really part of keeping yourself healthy with good diet, sleep, balanced hormones etc. I'm lucky enough to have pretty good skin, but a lot of it is down to eating a good diet and sun protection, I would say those are both of those are important for general health as well!

quirkychick · 12/03/2018 07:21

Bold fail.

Also, looking good/well/healthy is tied to mental health.

BagelGoesWalking · 12/03/2018 12:38

OCSock completely agree. As someone who's had eczema on and off from childhood, this resonates for me. Apart from a few horrific flare ups over the years, I usually have a few weak spots where eczema flares, like crook of elbows etc.

Since I've been using better skincare, which has calmed and balanced my skin a hell of a lot, I've realised that the 2 small patches I've had on the crooks of my elbows have disappeared. Completely on one arm and 95% on the other. This is after using Hydrocortisone and stronger steroids and usual emollients.

quirkychick · 12/03/2018 12:52

Bagel I'm similar, I had horrendous eczema on my hands after having dd1, using medium and strong steroids as well as a soap substitute emollient but now just use neutrogena handcream after every handwash and haven't used steroids for years. Skin problems can cause terrible self-esteem too.

botemp · 12/03/2018 14:52

kicking, I think within the UK Zara (and their sister companies like Massimo Dutti, Stradivarius, Uterque, etc.) and Mango always have EU36 and even EU35 in some styles. Their fit is also on the smaller side (I always need to size up) but the quality is pretty iffy with most, think MD is marginally better and the Uterque ones that are marked as made in Spain.

French sizing is between half to a full size smaller than the standard EU/IT sizing, so you'll surely find plenty to choose from but it depends on budget really. Also, less easy to get to the UK without lots of shipping, maybe Sarenza or Zalando has some options from France? Yoox should also be worth looking at, usually plenty of choice in the odd sizes.

In terms of clothing care, ehm, I never iron a thing. I do have a semi-professional steamer which takes very little effort but for myself, I don't bother with proper pressing or buy clothes that need that level of care. Shirts and sheets go to a laundry service, less 'normal' here, I suppose, but once you cross over the border into Belgium and go further south it seems quite normal in larger cities at least and it's quite cheap. Similarly, the tumble dryer only ever gets used for towels and some cotton socks and undies. Everything else gets washed on delicate cycles (bras and hosiery in nets) or 30 degrees (except towels and sports gear), then hung on hangers that are then easily moved into the closet, they wrinkle a lot less too as a result. As mentioned previously I only wash when things are actually dirty, so woolens and denim can go quite long before a proper washing, the knitwear often gets a steaming now and then, though.

Quality of fabrics make a definite difference, it's where you see your investment recoup, most people focus on natural fabrics only but it's hardly a guarantee, it needs a certain weight, and different types of fabric have different specific weights. If you know what to look for it, it's not all that hard, my mother taught me from an early age so I just don't know any better but you'll see French women do it too, weighing a sleeve in their hand by just moving it up and down a bit. The end of sales racks in Paris are always full of what I call 'frugal' fabrics, odd sizes, and synthetics, they know what to avoid in that sense. Fabric weight is also why I turn my nose up a bit at Uniqlo, most of it feels to frugal to me.

I noticed the suede trench was a 100EUR less on the Spanish MD site compared to here. I think Mango is cheaper in Spain too bastardos.

Sock, et. al. WRT to the skincare article, I think that's part of the problem with it at the moment and the 'self-care/wellness' narrative. It's taking the spotlight away from the fact that skin is, in theory, a self-regulating organ, it doesn't actually need anything topically but environmental stressors do ask for protection. Daily sunscreen is a protective measure I'd recommend to everyone (as do dermatologist bodies and the WHO), not so much for the preventative anti-ageing benefits (which does have as well, as about 90% of signs of ageing are caused by the sun) but for the prevention of skin cancer and environmental stress from pollution. So in addition of the sunscreen, you just need a cleanser to take it off at night and if needed a moisturiser at its most basic. The narrative should be on prevention (namely suncscreen) from a health perspective but it gets largely overlooked in favour of the cosmetic promises that OTC skincare can rarely live up to.

When skin isn't self-sufficient you're usually in hormonal acne/rosacea/eczema/etc. territory. You will probably need additional things for that but a visit to a dermatologist/GP will likely sort that out better as these are rarely just a skin disorder, often related to internal health. This era of DIY dermatologist (I don't blame The Ordinary for this but they certainly made it much more widespread and democractic) is giving many the false idea that one can fix this themselves (reality is all you can ever do is manage it) with ten step+ routines which are more likely to mess up your skin further than help, creating sensitivities where there weren't any. It's a bit the same like the diet industry, a plethora of (mis)information distorts the sensible and cautious and as a result no one knows what's up or down anymore and everyone desperately clammors onto the next new shiny thing.

There's a huge threshold for those with genuine medical skin conditions to seek help, many are afraid to be ridiculed or dismissed (as for whatever reason this is how we like to treat those with skin issues they have no control over, eg. acne=dirty, etc.) and certain GPs do have terrible track records for this but pottering on in this self-help corner really isn't helpful for those with legitimate issues, especially under the self-care banner that's been eroded from its original meaning. For those without legitimate issues, it's vanity, nothing more and nothing less, nothing wrong with owning up to that either.

botemp · 12/03/2018 14:52

Sorry, that was longer than expected Blush

ProperLavs · 12/03/2018 15:04

Is it worth ordering from the Spanish site and having it shipped I wonder?

Floisme · 12/03/2018 18:14

ten step+ routines which are more likely to mess up your skin further than help, creating sensitivities where there weren't any.

This is exactly what happened to me bo. I now have highly sensitive skin and, while I can never prove anything, I'm as certain as I can be that it was triggered by trying out too many products when I hit my early 50s. It's left me with a deep and enduring dislike of the skincare - and particularly the anti ageing - industry.

And now I've got that off my chest I'll go and read the article!

AuldAlliance · 12/03/2018 18:37

ProperLavs, I wondered about that.
I'd have to create a new ID and password, and hadn't time to try it out.

I wore the jacket today and it is worth what I paid for it even with the 10 extra euros.
It's well cut and warm. I reckon I'll maybe only get another week's wear out of it as a 'jacket over a shirt' workwear style, since the weather is warming up here in the middle of the day. But it's timeless, so I'll just wear it as an outer garment in a few weeks, then wrap it up carefully, mothproof it, and get all excited when I can wear it again next autumn/winter. Smile I have a rather fine collection of green coats/jackets now.

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ProperLavs · 12/03/2018 19:21

That’s fabauld