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Bloggers and brands 2.

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Merriboo · 18/12/2017 20:33

continuing the discussion from the previous thread about transparency and disclosure (or lack of) by bloggers

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ElspethFlashman · 24/01/2018 22:53

Fairly sure Loewe don't really do #gifts. She bought that bag herself. Kat Farmer got one for Xmas from her bloke. I'm not a fan, sorry Kat if you're reading, the angles at the front give me a frowny face. Like that Celine bag everyone had in 2015 that looked like a Sad Robot.

Also apparently Zara don't gift items? Has anyone heard that? So if you see Zara on someone's feed it's paid for with their own money. Not sure if that's true but it's certainly true that there's a scarcity of Zara on Instagram.

Compare to the blanket TopShop coverage. It's funny cos IRL where I live it's completely reversed for women over 30. Loads of Zara, but we wear fuck all TopShop.

Housewife2010 · 25/01/2018 06:37

Lily Pebbles is bringing out a book on friendship. Her blog isn't very well written so I don't think that she is a natural writer.

Ithasbeenalongtime · 25/01/2018 06:51

This seems to be the Topshop blogger affiliate programme details. I can't see a Zara one. Its true that the 'shop my look' pages often are Topshop heavy, can't think why. Hmm

Blogger commission structure:

New Customer Sales: 8%
Existing Customer Sales: 6%
30 day cookie period

Topshop is like a jumble sale whenever I go in it. I'm not a massive fan of Zara because the quality is too dodgy so its like looking for a needle in a haystack to find something that won't fall apart after a few wears. Looks good in photos though I guess because their stuff is often a bit quirky. ED had a leopard dress that looked amazing but in the shop felt like it would ignite if you walked near an open flame. She even had to change the slip that came with it, which for £60 or £80 (I can't remember how much it was) seems a bit off.

I can understand how books written by people with a proper purpose - eg MOD writing a book about birth because she is an experienced midwife and has 4 children would have some authenticity about them. But friendship? Surely only fangirls would be interested in something like that.

Pupsiecola · 25/01/2018 08:16

Trinny is mad for Zara, and she's quirky. She makes me laugh. Stuffed looks good on here but on the few occasions I've been into Zara I've not found anything of good enough quality to warrant purchasing.

PNGirl · 25/01/2018 10:33

Lily Pebbles is bringing out a book because she's next on the Gleam list to release one.

www.thebookseller.com/news/gleam-futures-launches-literary-division-digital-writers-583951

According to that they sold 9 books last year.

Housewife2010 · 25/01/2018 10:58

I bet The Anna Edit does an organisation/capsule wardrobe one next.

Pupsiecola · 25/01/2018 11:13

I was musing this morning; do you think bloggers can put purchases such as expensive bags etc. through their companies as "business expenses" and claim the tax/VAT back?!

FleaRiddenScruffBag · 25/01/2018 11:21

Pupsiecola - when my husband was self employed he spent hours and hours doing his tax returns........... he is interested to know how all these bloggers oops, influencers manage to keep on top of their tax returns with all their freebies.

thesaurusgirl · 25/01/2018 11:22

I have to do some work but I'm loving this thread Grin. I'm a bit meh about disclosures from the Surrey housewife bloggers as we are all old enough to see through them. Just assume they're heavily spinning their mundane lives and writing content for the freebies and free nights out, and just swipe right.

Much more concerning are the ones influencing my teenage nieces. They're definitely a malign force.

On a lighter note, today's giggle is that all the mum-brands are at the NTAs whilst Peony Lim is hanging out in Mexico with Aerin Lauder. WIT must be dying with jealousy.

Ithasbeenalongtime · 25/01/2018 11:33

@pupsiecola I would expect it would be very difficult to but they should take advice from a proper tax accountant both to make sure they declare all their income AND claim all the deductions they are entitled to. On the OneRoofSocial twitter feed one of the presenters at their conference thingy said there would be up to 200,000 people identifying themselves to HMRC as "Influencers" in the future (god help us). I doubt whether any of them are really thinking about it at the moment as they haven't really gone past the 'but its free!' stage. I'm sure HMRC will catch up eventually.

botemp · 25/01/2018 12:08

I'm not in the UK but I can deduct some clothing items as business expenses entirely if they meet certain criteria (need to be bought as considered an essential part of the job -specifically to meet safety standards- and would not buy them or use them outside of work otherwise). If my business was in the line of a fashion blogger's at the very least I could deduct the VAT and if you got creative with it you could probably still deduct it in part (basically arguing it complied to the primary criteria for editorial or personal brand building, then selling the item from your business to your person at a fair market rate, which is very far away from RRP in handbag land). Was there mention of where the bag was bought? I remember a few years back Selfridges would hand out very generous gift cards that incited many designer handbag buys.

Loewe does give away freebies but more on the celebrity level with those who have an influence on fashion/trends (think Kate Bosworth and similar). They probably gift to the upper tier of fashion bloggers as well as the puzzle bag and the elephant one were all over Instagram in late 2015, early 2016. It's ruined what is otherwise a lovely brand with quality bags for me, their pricing is also insane, it's highly overpriced in recent times and then with the exception of the very popular models in specific colours, they slash the prices heavily in sales (I've seen up to 70%). They're presented as investment bags on SM but they drop in price instantly once you walk out the door with them. See also, J.W. Anderson (who happens to design for Loewe), Marni, and many many others. Chloe is a notable repeat offender by constantly pushing a new 'it' bag like it's fast fashion, they are so obviously designed for Instagram.

Zara famously has a very minimal PR budget, I've never seen them actively work with influencers but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That goes for all their other brands too (Massimo Dutti, Oysho, Stradivarius, Bershka, etc). COS also has very specific PR strategy that eschews mainstream SM, they sponsor and curate installations at art and design events instead. &Other Stories also appears to be very selective and H&M only seems to work in specific campaigns, eg. when their new and improved beauty line launched they utilised some bloggers.

Kitsharrington · 25/01/2018 14:16

Cara Sutherland has a post up today talking about the price of IG sponsorship posts. Surprisingly low.

Off topic but the number of these bloggers who seemingly make their living by ‘writing’ yet struggle to string a sentence together! would it kill them to learn to proof read or even just use bloody spellcheck? Makes them look so unprofessional. Nearly every blogger named on this thread so far is guilty of this.

ElspethFlashman · 25/01/2018 14:34

Oh god, the spelling. Catwalkschoolgates can't spell to save her life!

And much as I live Mother Pukka, if she uses "draw" for "drawer" one more time.......she was a journalist for gods sake!

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 25/01/2018 15:37

On a lighter note, today's giggle is that all the mum-brands are at the NTAs whilst Peony Lim is hanging out in Mexico with Aerin Lauder. WIT must be dying with jealousy.

Yeah, but Peony is nowhere to be found on Aerin's Instagram, despite all the name-checks on every single Peony photo of Mexico.

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theladylovescupcakes · 25/01/2018 16:16

Gosh - the poor spelling really winds me up too!

And DMBL40 Kat said her bag was a Christmas gift from her husband Grin

EdinaMonsoon · 25/01/2018 17:11

theladylovescupcakes I was confused by Kat & the Loewe bag. In a post a few weeks ago she says it was from her DH. Then, a few days ago she listed it as a gift from Matches. Could have been a typo, I guess, or perhaps gift as in present rather than blogger code for blagged freebies Wink

Ithasbeenalongtime · 25/01/2018 17:16

CLTS has posted that she will later be blogging about 'this month's' Paid partnership with Next. I thought she found disclosure about payment and gifts to be vulgar and she would only wear something if she loved it, so was not to be questioned Hmm. Mind you, Next normally falls into my "you'd have to pay me to wear it" category as well Grin

FleaRiddenScruffBag · 25/01/2018 17:39

No, no, no - I really don't have an issue with the blogging as such - we are all free to take it or leave it and some of them do a good job ....... and do provide some good ideas. My gripe is just about transparency, integrity and the increasing bad taste that this whole gifting of goods leaves people like me who also work hard and now seem to be funding it. DMBL40 is inconsistent with her tagging. One week the bag was from her husband the next it was a gift and the same with the Jigsaw coat - one time a gift the next it wasn't.

WipsGlitter · 25/01/2018 17:54

And much as I live Mother Pukka, if she uses "draw" for "drawer" one more time.......she was a journalist for gods sake!

I nearly messaged her about this!!

Ithasbeenalongtime · 25/01/2018 18:13

I don't have an issue with blogging either (its more value added than just a picture of a new jumper and does deserve to be paid for when a brand is getting decent exposure out of it). But if you are being paid to say something is great then you should disclose that commercial relationship. The inconsistency is annoying. For someone to go from 'oh its so tiresome to have to keep explaining myself and I don't think I should be' to suddenly revealing 'this month's' paid partnership (inferring there were others in previous months), I find irritating. Still at least its a step closer to being more transparent. I wonder whether the brand required it, because it seems a bit of a U turn on her previous stance.

AdiosPeaceOfRoast · 25/01/2018 18:50

I take high street paid partnerships to be ‘if I HAD to wear something from here, this is what it would be’ and high end ones as ‘this is why I do my job, but you’ll need to pay for it.’

Not sure that it’s what the brands are intending Smile

Ithasbeenalongtime · 25/01/2018 19:05

That's exactly how I see it as well @Adios. I don't think brands always look at whether the blogger is the right fit for them, they just look at the follower numbers and blogging genre in general.

AdiosPeaceOfRoast · 25/01/2018 19:18

Also that ‘I wouldn’t agree to feature it if I didn’t truly love it’ thing - well - they didn’t feature it before they were paid to because it was the payment element that drew it to their attention.

I do get it - it’s hard work creating content and why not get paid for it? I would probably do the same. But the truth is, the monetisation has changed the content; that’s why we’re having this conversation. It’s a shame as I get both sides of it but I’m not sure there’s an answer.

nipersvest · 25/01/2018 19:19

I really like the Loewe puzzle bag, way out of my price range though, but I can dream. I took when Kat said gift, that it was a gift from her husband and he bought it from Matches. Am pretty sure she's mentioned he asked her friends for their advice on the bag, so am sure it was a Christmas present.

Am warming to Anna Hart again, I think she did a good job with the summit this week.

AdiosPeaceOfRoast · 25/01/2018 19:35

I like it too Smile