I need to eradicate the frown furrows between my eyes...

[RubyrooUK]

..I'm only mid thirties and it looks like someone could start sowing crops in them. I'm breastfeeding my toddler so assume Botox is a no go.

Any gadgets, lasers, creams made any kind of real difference? Any help appreciated as I look permanently knackered (which I am but hey, who doesn't want to look more fresh?).

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I know. I need some Mumsnetters who have reversed time to step in here and sort me out.

frownies?

I mean try frownies you can get them on amazon

Hmmm look like they might be worth a try!

What are you doing to make these frown furrows ( look in the mirror and do various face contortions until you find the expression that does it)

Are you scrunching up your eyes to read? Use a screen?
Bright light?
Bitchy Resting Face

I had a horizontal line above one eyebrow (when I raise my brow though I cannot think I make that face very often ) I used Philosophy Hope in a Jar and it really helped.
Dehydration you can conquer. Lack of sleep you cannot.

I have to be honest - it is entirely related to four years of never having slept through the night. And I squint out of habit although my eyesight was checked today and it's currently fine.

I'm pretty sure I don't have bitchy resting face (although it sounds worth developing). It's the pesky kids.

I too use Philosophy Miracle Worker which has improved things very slightly but not enough. I could still grow a nice row of cabbages in those furrows.

Botox.

I know Betty but I thought Botox and breastfeeding don't mix?

I just can't go for Botox (have existing nerve damage from cancer) or anything else intrusive (wimp and I'm allergic to practically everything) but have some skin damage from illness. I see a great facialist called Linda Meredith and use her collagen oxygen treatment (an impregnated mask you apply once a week) and my skin is so much better. I'd really recommend.

Don't waste money on stuff that doesn't work. Just pop the cash in a jar for when you finish breast feeding and find a good practitioner. Botox is the only thing that works. I spent ££££ over 10 years searching for a cream/facial with no joy.

Thanks Texan. I know Linda Meredith and will check out that mask. Please keep the recommendations coming! I need to fight the ageing lack of sleep with cosmetics/gadgets/bloody anything.

Nooooooooooo MaryLou. Don't say that. My child has no understanding of the ageing he is causing me and is the most enthusiastic breastfeeder alive. I've got ages to wait.

No worries. She's amazing. I am allergic to everything that's effective for anti-ageing, as well as most preservatives for creams/wipes etc and have eczema. I saw an amazing dermatologist who allergy tested me post cancer treatment and my skin was so dry and lined at pre-30 years old; severe illness is very ageing it seems! Linda's treatments have always been so personal and individually focussed, she's been a godsend. I hope it helps.

Thanks Texan. Your very valid reasons for needing great skincare are putting me to shame. I'm just vain.

do you need glasses?
my furrows dissapeared when I finally went to the optician and got prescribed glasses.

I've worn glasses for 43 years and I've got furrows. But I also have a severe case of bitchy resting face

I'm massively vain, you don't need to justify your want to improve your skin to me! I wish you all the luck I had and more.

Maud, no, don't need glasses - eyes tested today. But I was shortsighted during my last pregnancy which didn't improve things. Actually I think it's genetic (sorry mum).

Sorry, that sounds odd! I meant, I've had a lot of luck in my recovery and I hope you do too.

I mean Maus, sorry, not Maud. My claims about my eyesight are seeming unrealistic now. Rats.

Thanks Texan - I just thought you sounded lovely. And you gave me a product recommendation. What more could a woman want from a S&B thread?

REN omega 3 optimum skin oil and Nuxe Fluide Merveillance visible expression lines fluid are two things I have thought made a difference. I'm not saying they are the best, they just happen to be two things I noticed had a bit of an effect. The oil is also good because you can massage it in using small upward/outward motions between the brows.

I have combination, leaning to oily skin and found these don't cause breakouts. If you want you can follow them with a moisturiser but I didn't. The oil takes a while to sink in so I'd just use it at night, the other is ok under make up.

For a quick disguise under make up primers will help too.