powder BEFORE foundation, yes seriously!

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

Just read this tip on another thread but it deserves it's very own thread

Google Wayne Goss make up artist, he's my new crush and tells you to moisturise, prime, powder THEN foundation!

Just tried it and it works a treat , didn't even need concealer! Makes perfect sense as it fills pores and I'd a key for the foundation!

You can use mineral foundation too and then liquid foundation.

He also does a video about a tip for eye liner that's worth watching.

[OneLittleLady]

I've tried it this afternoon and it seems to work for me. I have fairly decent skin anyway but this method has covered my old acne scars perfectly without any concealer. My dark circles are also covered perfectly, again without the use of concealer. Of course, I can't say for certain that it's definitely going to be the right application method for me long term after only one test run but I'm pleased enough with it today to try it again and see how I get on with it.

[Onsera3]

I tried it and initially thought it looked fab. But my goodness I looked terrible by the afternoon. I used Colorstay over Sephora pressed mineral powder. It was a patchy mess. Worse than any of my foundations has ever looked.

I will give it another go with some different combinations of foundation and powder but I'm not a convert.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

Colour stay doesn't work, it's too glue like!

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

He's not an editorial make up artist and admits himself he doesn't want to do that you're of work so doesn't carry a traditional portfolio.

Surely it's like you can be a fantastic artist without studying art history and fine art at university? You wouldn't call a self taught artist 'not a real artist,'would you?

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

TYPE not you're-stupid phone

[GatoradeMeBitch]

True. Do you know if he does any make-up work outside of YouTube though? Like maybe weddings? I've only ever seen him put makeup on his friends and himself and I've followed his channels for more than two years - though saying that I haven't searched very hard. I don't rate him as an actual MUA honestly, but some of his tips are interesting and he does seem like a nice person.

[EyelinerQueen]

I wouldn't call anyone who applies makeup that badly an artist of any description Dame .

He's not doing any harm. Other people obviously enjoy his videos. I just can't get my head around the glaring discrepancy between his claims and the standard of his work. It's mediocre at the very very best.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

I honestly can't get that worked up about his qualifications, or lack of them

[AntoinetteCosway]

He talks about his training in interviews and in some of the videos I've seen-I'm sure he's got qualifications. Though of course there are no industry standard quals for MUAs.

[jasmine1979]

I actually totally agree that you don’t have to be formally trained in something to be good at it. Self taught people are often the ones who really have a great passion in what they do, and I hugely admire that.

However regardless of his training (when it suits him he claims to be “classically trained” whatever he thinks that is) the fact remains that he just isn’t good at applying make-up. In fact some of his work is downright horrific. His actual tutorials are just awful, and once you take away the studio lights that he films with you are often looking at heavy drag queen make-up.

He also claims to do make-up for brides, and personal video taped tutorials. I don’t think anyone who has contacted him interested in having these things done, has ever even had a reply. Youtube is his job, and that’s totally fine. The trouble is that he has built up his channel and reputation in pretending to be something he is not. It all seems to be smoke and mirrors. Honestly, if he’s working on all these bridal shots etc then why is all his make-up unused?

What he IS good at however is knowing exactly who his audience is and playing to that, so good on him. He has the ability to seek out good make-up tips from his books and let women know about them, and he knows how to deliver the message with a certain charm and trademark wink that many people love.
The trouble with this though, is he really doesn't have much to offer and is just repeating the same thing over and over again with different shouty all caps titles.

[EyelinerQueen]

It's not difficult to become a qualified MUA. There are no entry requirements. The courses (and kit) are expensive so you need money but you can go from nada to freelance MUA in less than a year.

After that your reputation and portfolio are established based on how good you are.

When you watch MUAs like Lisa Eldridge, Pixiwoo and Sharon Farrell (she's my latest YouTube obsession btw - she's fab) you can see instantly how experienced and adept they are.

Wayne just doesn't have that skill or polish. He is at the level of an enthusiastic amateur at best.

I would love to become a MUA but talk myself out of it all the time thinking I'm not good enough. His videos give me hope .

[jasmine1979]

I meant to add in my last post that I really do not hate Goss at all. Am a bit sick of having to repeat that! I just don't think he's all he or other people make him out to be. That's all. I wish him all the luck in the world.

EyelinerQueen - I couldn't agree with you more about people like Lisa Eldridge. When you watch them do make-up they just have a certain grace to them. The way that they apply the products, position and interact with the client are all just perfect. Goss however is just so heavy handed, clumsy and I've seen him so many times when doing make-up on his friends physically holding the entire top of their head into position with his whole hand that you can just tell he has so little experience. I find it cringeworthy. Fine for friends messing about doing make-up on each other. Not so much for a professional make-up artist.

Re, wanting to be a MUA. Go for it! If it's what you want to do. Maybe even start out occasionally doing make-up for friends events etc. Life's too short not to do something that you love.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

I always wanted to train in special effects make up and never did

How much does it cost to train? Is the kit horrifically expensive?

I did my make up for my wedding and my friend who hired a MUA said she wishes I'd done hers instead I did my sister's as well for her wedding and the brides maids,omg I'd love to train up properly

[EyelinerQueen]

Dame my friend moved to London and did her training at the Greasepaint Academy. She did an accelerated course which according to their website costs upwards of £10K

She has incredibly generous parents.

That was just over a year ago and she's already making a real name for herself and her work has been featured in leading magazines, music videos and a nationwide TV advert and she's been tipped as one to watch in Grazia .

Like you, I end up the unofficial makeup person at all family weddings etc. I love doing it. Just worried I'm too old to start doing it as a career now.

[EyelinerQueen]

And YY to Special Effects stuff. Every Halloween I go mad with mine and DP's makeup.

Will see if I can dig out a pic.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

Oh fuck do you know my Dad did actually offer to pay for me to do a course when I was 17 and I went travelling instead it was a lot cheaper then, I'm 43 now!

I was thinking if it was 3 or 4k I'd consider it, but 10 is a lot.

[Scarletohello]

Feel sad he's a fraud, I really enjoyed watching his videos last week. Would feel a bit yuk about doing so now after all these comments ( which unfortunately seem well founded...)

:(

[AntoinetteCosway]

I really think it's a bit much to call him a fraud because some people on the internet haven't seen proof of his other work. There is little proof of my work on the internet. I am a very small scale MUA. I do weddings and photoshoots. If I wanted to set up a YouTube channel I could do so and could talk about my experience but if you didn't know where to find my professional Facebook page you wouldn't find proof of that experience because my portfolio is on paper. I do MUA work alongside my other job. Maybe he is the same? It really doesn't mean he's not a professional.

Those of you wanting to do MUA courses, they can be as cheap or as expensive as you like. Obviously to a large extent you get what you pay for but some of the very expensive courses are a rip off IMO as none of them can guarantee you any work and as I said earlier there is no industry standard qualification. The good courses will help you get a start on your portfolio by giving you access to a studio and photographer as part of the course and will usually also include the price of some brushes. I started out by doing a very short course (4 days I think it was) in Manchester for about £600 and went from there. If I had started younger I would have invested in it instead of university but I did it while on mat leave and didn't know whether it was going to be just an expensive hobby or whether I was going to make any money! The MUA who trained me was great at giving ideas of where to go for further training, how to find contacts to work with etc. There is a HUGE amount of working for free involved at first and the majority of MUAs do freelance, bridal, counter work so if you can train to do hair too that's a massive advantage. The number of people making actual money doing fashion shows, magazine shoots, theatre work etc is absolutely minuscule. I think to get really successful in those fields you need to start at 16 or 18 and apprentice yourself to anyone who'll take you. It helps to have no ties like children because in those fields you need to be able to drop everything and fly abroad whenever necessary, plus you also need another way of paying the bills IME! In a way it's hardest if you want to do theatrical work because lots of theatres expect actors to do their own. Film is probably more lucrative but I don't know anyone in that field-though I'd love to!

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

Scarlett-he's a make up artist on you tube, he's not claiming he has discovered the secret to every lasting youth. If his tips work for you, use them!

[dawndonnaagain]

I think he's lovely, shame he's gay. I imagine the 'special needs' comment is a red herring. It tends be everyday speak in 'the real world', doesn't make him an idiot, just means he hasn't been on MN.

Not in my world.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

Thanks Antoinette-yeah, I can see how you'd need to be free to travel etc.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

I think he's referring to himself when he's saying special needs as a pp pointed out as he has ocd. I've still not seen that video where he says it though.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

Antoinette,I ordered some Mac concealer, will let you know how I get on with it

[AntoinetteCosway]

Hope you like it!

[usualnamechanger]

I tried it and yes, it looked nice. But I wouldn't do it often because I would be worried about getting spots.