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Why french women don't get fat

188 replies

Heswall · 17/02/2012 15:45

Please somebody tell me the leek soup thing works, I may throw up soon and am starving.
TIA

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yellowraincoat · 18/02/2012 18:26

KandyBarry, I definitely notice that in London there are very few fat people let alone obese, whereas when I come to see my parents in Gloucester there are conversely very few thin people.

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 18:34

I'm not sure where all the generalisations about the French have come from - especially the smoking misconception! Lung cancer rates are significantly higher in the UK, than in France, for both sexes!

info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/lung/incidence/uk-lung-cancer-incidence-statistics

KandyBarr · 18/02/2012 18:37

Vitamin France isn't mentioned on that link

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 18:40

Oh and whilst there are (and always have been) overweight people here in France, over the past 5-10 years, I've noticed my UK friends getting increasingly overweight every time I visit, whereas in France the obesity level is not rising like that (and is actually, currently stable, I believe)!

As others have said, it's mainly the result of eating sensible amounts, not snacking and being generally more active!

Most people I know here do outdoorsy stuff every weekend - hiking, cycling, skiing, snow-shoe trekking... and lots of people spend 3 weeks each summer doing the same, rather than lounging around sunbathing. In my city, a lot of people cycle everywhere, too, during the week. Lots of city centre parking spaces have recently been turned into bike racks!

KandyBarr · 18/02/2012 18:41

It is mentioned here, though.

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 18:41

Kandy it is on the graph (halfway down the page). I'll try to link to the graph itself: info.cancerresearchuk.org/prod_consump/groups/cr_common/@nre/@sta/documents/image/eu27_inc_lung_png.png

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 18:43

But that article doesn't give any comparison to other countries, does it, Kandy?

KandyBarr · 18/02/2012 18:45

Vitamin According to that graph, lung cancer rates among French men are significantly higher than among British men. Higher among British women, but not dramatically higher, by the look of it.

KandyBarr · 18/02/2012 18:46

Vitamin No it doesn't compare countires, but it rather tells a different story about the lives of French women to the picture you paint.

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 18:50

I think the article was pretty biased - written by a bitter, resentful American - because it certainly didn't reflect any of the people I know or have known in my 20+ years over here (and I've lived in Paris as well as several other regions, both urban and rural)!

SlinkingOutsideInFrocks · 18/02/2012 18:51

Why slim people don't get fat...

KandyBarr · 18/02/2012 18:54

But surely the sources she quotes, such as Christine Tourre of France's national anti-tobacco committee, aren't bitter Americans?

All I'm saying is her facts seem pretty sound, and that French lives can sometimes be more complex than they appear to ex-pats.

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 18:54

Yes, Slinking. I think sugar has a lot to do with it, too. Sugary drinks and snacks are nowhere near as popular as in the UK and the latest scientific research seems to point to sugar as the main trigger for obesity, due to the way the fructose in it is metabolised!

ameliagrey · 18/02/2012 19:04

Kandy with ref. to Cambridge and Bath, it could be because they are university cities and have a population that tends to be better educated....

and also cambridge has more cyclists than any city in the UK.

Being obese and overweight is associated- sadly- with being less educated, and belonging to a lower soci-economic group.

Don't flame me- I am the messenger only!

KandyBarr · 18/02/2012 19:08

Amelia I suspect you're right, and wealthier of course. I rarely see obese people in my local Waitrose, either (ironically - given what's on offer on the shelves, they should be massive).

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 19:12

Well, I don't know many ex-pats, but the few I've come across seem to hang around with other ex-pats, rather than integrate into French society, so I don't know if they can really fully grasp French life.

I don't know if my life is complex (although it doesn't feel that way from the inside!), because it's all I've really ever known, and I've only spent a very short time in the UK as an adult (although I lived there as a child), so can't really compare, but the article makes very little sense to me and certainly doesn't describe the France I know!

The woman from the anti-smoking lobby is a lobbyist and therefore has a bee in her bonnet and a point to make, but if you look at the facts she states, smoking among French women has risen by 6% in 60 years and is still only 26%. In the UK it's 24%, so not a huge difference, really!

In my entire circle of friends, I only have one friend who smokes and one who used to but stopped a few years ago! In fact, in my experience, smoking is actually more prevalent in those socioeconomic groups where women are not quite so slim and groomed. Most of the women I know are very health-conscious in pretty much all respects, including not smoking!

ConstanceChatterley · 18/02/2012 19:13

Kandy - I've noticed this as well, I used to live in Brighton and people generally were much thinner than where I live now. But friends from London always thought people in Brighton were larger than home.

In terms of socio-economic groups, I was always struck working at an independent school at the very few numbers of overweight pupils in comparison to state schools I have worked in. Could be down to the sheer range of sports/extra-curriculars on offer though.

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 19:14

Ha! X-post about the socio-economic background! But very true, the world over!

ameliagrey · 18/02/2012 19:16

Constance or the ghastly food if it is anything like the boarding schools I worked in.

ConstanceChatterley · 18/02/2012 19:22

The food was nice! I put on nearly 10lbs working there!

KandyBarr · 18/02/2012 19:37

Fair enough, Vitamin. I'm just naturally suspcious of national stereotypes.

Constance I noticed the same when I used to walk past SPGS in London every morning. That was a killer for my confidence.

privateplane · 18/02/2012 19:40

My SIL is French colossal
Lovely looking but BIG woman

vitaminC · 18/02/2012 21:21

One aspect I don't think has been mentioned is the cultural/religious side.

France is a secular state, but the upper classes still tend to be staunchly Catholic and the middle classes, whlist not necessarily practising, still tend to adhere to traditional Catholic values. (The poorer classes, where obesity is more prevalent, don't tend to practise, as religion is seen as something for the wealthy and privileged!)

Gluttony and Sloth are among the 7 deadly sins and seen by many as major character flaws (which is why the American Dream and globalisation are so abhorent to most French people!), whereas restraint is a great virtue and labels you as a good person in many people's minds!

chipmonkey · 18/02/2012 21:24

I actually binned the book when I realised that all the talk of "balance" was really the same as what I was doing on Weight Watchers. Oh, and their no pointe soups were a lot nicer.

naturelover · 18/02/2012 22:25

The book is my bible! I love French food and she talks such sense about eating reasonable quantities of high quality food, eating seasonally, walking everywhere and drinking lots of water. I am slim and my weight is largely stable. If I feel my clothes getting a bit tight I cut back for a few days.

I think a higher consumption of alcohol is a big reason why British women are more overweight than the French. Huge generalisation - sorry.