I want really hot thermal undies (like M&S men's ones) but in a "ladies" style. IS THAT REALLY TOO MUCH TO ASK???

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Argh. Tempted to put this in the Feminism section. It is SO infuriating that women's "thermal" underwear is all the flimsy lacey crap stuff. I want maximum warmth brushed merino wool (comme ca but without a crew neck. V or scoop would be fine.

Do they not realise that lots of women spend frigging ages outside, hanging about in playgrounds etc?

Icebreaker do some lovely bits, at your local Cotswold Outdoor or Snow + Rock

eu2.icebreaker.com/Short-Sleeve-Tops/womens-underwear-short-sleeve-tops,en,sc.html

They look too flimsy. I need mega-heat, but with a neckline that's not higher than my normal tops.

Thanks though

Some here

M&S have got a new women's range that looks quite good, saw an advert for it today, not actually tried it so don't know how good it is but it's got good reviews on their website. I'm on my phone or I'd link it, sorry

Or someone linked to this site a while ago

just seen some in the lidl catalouge that was pushed through my door In store from 10th october

www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/offerdate.htm?offerdate=24882

www.marksandspencer.com/Heat-Generating-Long-Sleeve-Thermal/dp/B0038FRUJS?ie=UTF8&ref=sr_1_8&nodeId=62813031&sr=1-8&qid=1317927131&pf_rd_r=0WMM2QSZWMYJRJ9QF3YM&pf_rd_m=A2BO0OYVBKIQJM&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=62813031&pf_rd_p=215570647&pf_rd_s=related-items-3

saw this today, nearly bought some

CambridgeBaby one = too crew necky

Bella di Notte one looks kind of promising, although it's graded as "3" and the heat ratings are usually out of 5, plus it's about a tenner more than the men's ones in M&S, so that just pisses me off.

The Lidl ones are worth investigating further, but I'm not convinced about the inclusion of angora.

I've seen the M&S heat generating ones...might give them a go, but I'm not convinced they;ll be as warm as the men;s ones.

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Uniqlo HeatTech is fantastic. It's thin, but it's got some kind of magic Japanese technology that keeps you SO warm.

oh no I hated the uniqlo ones, they felt really synthetic and made me itch (mind you it doesn't take much!).

ARe you sure none of the icebreaker@ ones are any good? there are loads

Icebreaker aren't flimsy. They're expedition grade base layers!

Although what you really want is a nice cosy down jacket! (or synthetic equivalent - I've got a lush arc'teryx waiting till it's cold enough to bust out!)

Icebreaker are amazing.

I had a couple of M&S thermal vests last winter when I was pregnant and they were lovely and cosy.

Damart?

Still a bit 'lady' though, even old lady.....

Ali, I wore DH's icebreakers till I couldn't squeeze in any more! I love love them!

Why don't you just buy the men's ones?

She wants a v or scoop neck, not a crew neck Daisy.

Millets, for Peter storm or other thermal tops and legs?

Look out for some in Aldi. They do merino wool ski/snowboard thermals at really good prices from time to time.