Expensive moisturisers or, a little bit of Botox?

[kittya]

I need a new moisturiser and the Chanel one I use is fab but £45 a pop. Im thinking would a little jab of botox be more permanent and money saving in the long run? My frown lines are practically permanent these days!!

nicholas's!!

rickety

Botox is only one of many things that you can have.
The other treatments include Restylane, Juvaderme, Perlane and Dermarollers.
Botox is not the only choice and is suitable only for certain types of wrinkles.

Also, if Botox is used and used corectly, it doesn't cause forzen faces.

Yes but I was just using botox as an example of the inherent futility of (invasive) cosmetic procedures. For it to be a longer term treatment you have to keep having it done which does lead to frozen features in the end (raised eyebrows etc) Perhaps what one person sees as frozen is not nec what another does. As a makeup artist I don't like what it does.

Bonsoir - So what does your DP recommend?

But the point, Rickety, is that you do not end up forzen with the other treatments!

Botox has its place, but other products can fill lines and get rid of sagging just as well, or better.

I recently had a consultation with a very good dr and they said they would only use Botox on one area- my neck- and it would only give a 50% improvement and their advice was sugery if I was really bothered! ( not with them as they only do fillers etc.)

If you follow your argument through, you could apply it to having highlights or anything such as dying your eyelashes, or bikini waxes! They all need re-doing every few months or weeks!

You don't have to end up with frozen features so I don't know why you don't understand that.

try Retin-A. It must be prescribed by a dermatologist but actually does work on fine lines.

Another vote for Retin-A.

I got a large tube from GP and though it does work, it really dries out your skin. Use it at night 3 times per week to begin with and you must use a strong SPF.

Camomile granted the other procedures don't give you frozen features but they do send you the way of the adjusted face look that EVERYONE who has ever had work done gets IMO.

Also, eyelashing dying etc doesn't irreparably change your face.

Anyway I don't want to cosmetic surgery bash I just wish we lived in a world where people didn't feel they have to counter the aging process.

Rickety
"Also, eyelashing dying etc doesn't irreparably change your face."

Neither do the fillers! They last 6-9 months then you can top up or not.

They only make you look like a clone of someone else if they are badly done.

Theis is the S&B forum, so most people are trying to look their best and that often means not looking older than they need to!

I find it really interesting that someone who actually works with people's faces on a daily basis and (I assume) whose job is to make people look good - rickety - says that anyone who's had work done will eventually look like they have had work done. It would be a bit tragic and somewhat creepy if we all end up with the same kind of "face" when we get old...

At the age of 81 my gran hardly had any wrinkles. In her time she had had a hard life, drank alcohol, consumed industrial amounts of stewed tea and smoked. Her face was so expressive - she was a right mischievous sod with a wicked sense of humour and it showed in every expression! I think that's how I'd prefer to be, so I'll stick to slapping on the moisturiser, avoid the smoking (never took it up) and hope to god I got her genes...for the time being at least.

Oh and apologies for the highjack but Bonsoir what does your DH think of Caudelie and Nuxe and does he recommend any particular eye cream? TIA x

Since having botox in december I have to say I agree with the doctors stance that any old moisturiser plus botox is fine.i use much less everything and often go out bare faced which I haven't felt confident doing in yeras.I have used ALL the creams even the ridiculous expensive glamoxy serum and none made anything like the difference botox has.

Can I ask where you had it done?

Bonsoir, is Bioderm similar to Biotherm or are they two completely different brands?

Once you've got wrinkles, the only thing that will get rid of them is surgery or botox.

Sunscreen, moisturiser etc. is preventative only.

What if you don't really have wrinkles but are aware that the cheeks are dropping and facial contours are not as tight? I don't think I need a Facelift yet and have considered Thermage and Titan but not sure what is efective for a non invasive lift.

Invasive lift is the only effective lift.

How exactly do you think a cream can physically lift skin and reverse ageing?

You will age at some point.

Facial contours being a bit less tight is just what happens in life. It's fine - gives a face character anyway.

Bioderma and Biotherm are totally unrelated.

Caudalie and Nuxe are good brands but not very technically innovative. But good all the same!

We went to the spa at Caudalie last summer and had lots of treatments - that is certainly good for the soul

I went to Andrew Yelland at the Nuffield in East Sussex V light touch in fact so light I am going back for a tiny bit more FOC!Looks great though just don't loon as tired and 'old'!

Mona- you need what they call the Y lift which works by lifting/plumping the cheeks.

Cabbage, what is a Y Lift, is that like a Silhouette thread lift?

Cabbage, just got an explanation from The Consulting Room website, not sure if it would be suitable for me as I have a fat face, so no actual volume loss and no jowling, I have had Juvederm in my Nasolabial lines, it only lasted a week though and had to be redone. I feel the facial muscles need a hoist up. I might try RF treatment when I've lost some weight.

Botox!

A friend of a friend does it and has quoted me £170 for my forehead, does that sound about right?