Pubs' policy on vaping

[Destinysdaughter]

I'm a bit disappointed that vaping was initially allowed everywhere but I'm finding that most pubs still don't allow it so you're still stuck outside with the rest of the smokers. It sucks especially when it's cold! Guess either customers have complained about it or pubs are playing safe. It's so bloody annoying as the arguments as to why you couldn't smoke in a workplace don't apply to vaping, ie it's not harmful to others. Kind of makes me feel you might as well go outside and have a fag! (Tho I tend to go to the loo ad have a crafty vape as it leaves no trace..)

Just wanted to rant really as their is no solution to this and I guess pubs can do what they want. Does annoy me tho.

Not so very long ago ....
m.youtube.com/watch?v=D-y_N4u0uRQ

Who knows what will be discovers about vapes in the future!

My teenage DCs report that there are kids at their school who are taking up vaping instead of cigarettes as a way of fitting in because it's seen as a new, trendy thing to do - that's pretty worrying.

I think the important part of that is the word instead. Kids are going to follow any fads they see and do what they can to fit in, and I think most parents would prefer vaping over cigarettes?

Maybe it comes down to customers not wanting to consume food/drink while breathing in the scent of forest fruits, bubblygum, mint, etc?

There are plenty of smells that I don't like to breathe in while I'm eating, especially the gallons of cheap perfume that the person sitting behind me at lunch the other day was wearing. I've also heard frequent comments by people I know that since the smoking ban they've noticed the stench in many nightclubs etc (especially the toilets) that used to be covered by cigarette smoke, mainly made up of stale sweat & alcohol with the occasional seasoning of vomit & piss.

Allergic, I think you need to change the nightclubs you frequent!

I hear what your saying, but surely is not that shocking to be told that the smell of vaping is not everyone's cup of tea. Therefore it's surely not that preposterous that some places dont allow it.

I don't do nightclubs - too old, too damaged & too boring to do such things . Was people I know telling me this, so not first hand.

I completely understand that the smell isn't to everyone's taste, and I understand that it's up to the owners whether they let people vape on their premises. People who don't like perfumey smalls avoid the perfume counter in stores, people who hate animal smells don't go on farms. My point was that it SHOULD be up to the owner to decide, not legally mandated as many people seem to be demanding. Smoking was banned because of the potential health hazards especially for staff who had no choice, which isn't the case with vaping.

I can choose whether I go into a pub/restaurant that allows vaping, and others can likewise choose to avoid that place and instead go into one that bans it. As there isn't a health & safety issue, it should be at the discretion of the owner who can make their decision based on what they feel is best for their business.

Uptake by children is of course something that public health are keeping a very close eye on. It is covered in the PHE report here:

Youth:Regular EC use among youth is rare with around 2% using at least monthly and 0.5% weekly. EC use among young people remains lower than among adults: a minority of British youth report having tried EC (~13%). Whilst there was some experimentation with EC among never smoking youth, prevalence of use (at least monthly) among never smokers is 0.3% or less.

Overall, the adult and youth data suggest that, despite some experimentation with EC among never smokers, EC are attracting few people who have never smoked into regular use.

Trends in EC use and smoking: Since EC were introduced to the market, cigarette smoking among adults and youth has declined. In adults, overall nicotine use has also declined (not assessed for youth). These findings, to date, suggest that the advent of EC is not undermining, and may even be contributing to, the long-term decline in cigarette smoking.

Simply put, vaping, even with nicotine, shows little sign of being addictive in the same way as smoking. This shouldn't be a surprise. It has been known for some time that nicotine on its own, e.g. in NRT, is far less addictive than the 4-5000 interacting chemicals in cigarette smoke.

The study talked about on the Channel 4 site shows a correlation between kids who try vaping and kids who try smoking or drinking. No shit sherlock - risk-taking youths take more risks! The supposed 'gateway effect' is discussed at some length in the PHE report here. There's also a good blog post here which discusses the problems with gateway theories.

As a way of giving up smoking?

Instead of smoking yes. I smoked 20-30 a day for 20 years prior to vaping

Actually I would say that kids vaping in school is a huge issue - it is not instead of smoking as those that vape still do so Out of school - many vape in school so as to avoid detentions for
Smoking and need their fix. Is it addictive - well I have had many a set to with a child who vapes because they think it is ok. It is a smoking substitute and as a non-smoker I don't want to see it being used in a pub or restaurant or staff room or classroom ....
And to be fair nobody had a clue if it is damaging or not yet. Look at aspartmine ....

Well, schools can set the same rules for vaping as they do smoking. It does not happen in a classroom, ever. Pubs and restaurants can also set their own rules. That really is a non issue. If you are having problems with kids arguing with you, change the way you deal with them (and yes, until April I was a teacher and had the same discussions with some students).

And to be fair, there is nothing wrong with aspartame, and there is lots of evidence to support that

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/the-truth-about-aspartame.aspx

This is what happens when ignorant twats Baconyum spread misinformation. So what, it's only a smelly, disgusting, selfish smoker eh?

Blanche I don't need to change the way I deal with the pupils thanks. I deal with them excellently and hope I educate them about the dangers of smoking/vaping/energy drinks in excess etc
There is also a lot of evidence that points to aspartame being very dangerous. Could post many clever click links but my own experience when I quit drinks with it in has been all I need - no more palpitations/headaches/lethargy.

I dunno Beezer, if Baconyum has heard from her friends in the medical professions that ecigs are dangerous, why should she disbelieve them? She's not really any more to blame than the woman in that tweet who was scared off vaping.

Most people won't look further than the scaremongering headlines and unless they're vapers, or smokers considering switching, or care about someone who is, they don't really have much incentive to. It's bloody hard work tracing back the latest scare story to the actual research and working out whether it's a bogus study or has been misreported - and we have to do it again and again and again! People are not unreasonable if they don't do that because it doesn't personally affect them.

It is a massive problem though and it's clearly the reason why PHE released such an unequivocal statement.

I'm usually up for a good bunfighty thread about vaping, it's a chance to post links to lots of useful research and info. I just wish they wouldn't do it here, on the stop smoking topic, where people come for support to stop smoking.

I get you totally, in fact was a very long time lurker on here til a v suspect thread emerged and felt obliged to step in.
However time has come for twats posting shite have to be shot down.
This individual in pic has been influenced by media crap as spread by posters on here. Beyond raging 😡

I don't understand how young people are managing to buy e cigs and juices, who's selling them to them??

Probably the same people who used to sell them cigarettes...