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Feeling overwhelmed

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NannyGrace · 15/08/2024 11:37

I'm new to Mumsnet but just looking for some advice and support.
I met my husband almost 6 years ago. He already had a 2 year old daughter and had been separated for her mum for almost a year. We took things slow and I didn't meet my step daughter until months later when we felt we were stable/strong enough in our relationship. Bio mum left my husband for another man (who she later had another daughter with, though they too soom separated). Right from the start, things were very difficult with my husbands ex, she's always been very volatile and controlling and has secretly suffered with mental health problems and a personality disorder for most of her life. My husband and I have ended up having his daughter anywhere from 60%-100% of the week for the last 4/5 years (especially when social services has been very involved as they have enforced supervised visitation a number of times). We have really tried our best to help and be amicable however we have been routinely verbally abused, threatened and manipulated by bio mum and it has taken it's toll on us.
Recently, social services declared they were taking both girls (8yrs and 4yrs with different dad's) off their books as they didn't 'meet their criteria for immediate concerns'. When the girls are with their mum for 2/3 nights a week they seem to be very neglected. They are late for school/nursery regularly, wear the same dirty clothes and underwear for days, don't get bathed/showered, don't complete homework/school reading and both girls say the house is so dirty and untidy that they have to eat food sat on their bedroom floor because they can't get to the kitchen table. There have been rumours (no solid proof) of bio mum abusing alcohol and drugs and we have been aware of police involvement because she's had unstable/abusive boyfriends (one police suspected was dealing drugs).
She comes from a very 'well-to-do' family who rarely get involved, though her parents do help by having the girls overnight during the week for her so they're not late for school so much.
Both girls are now displaying very worrying behaviour at home and school/nursery. My step daughter is particularly unhappy at the moment but won't talk about why. She has huge, very physical toddler-like meltdowns and will not even attempt some of her work at school for fear of not succeeding. She's very withdrawn and unemotional. She's also worryingly aware of very adult things, like profanity and their meaning and sexual words and acts (Too young at 8yrs?).
My husband sought legal advice a year ago and was told he didn't have enough evidence to get full custody. Father of the youngest did go to court with no success as they enforced a 50/50% custody court order.
My husband is now trying to get some psychological support for us as a family as we are really struggling, particularly my step daughter. I'm finding it particularly more distressing now as we have an 18 month old son and another baby on the way.
Does anyone have any advice? Or an explanation for why social services are no help? Are their standards really that low at the moment?
Thank you for letting me release some of this. It's not easy talking to people we know as it's worrying and almost shameful. Thank you

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Aquamarine1029 · 15/08/2024 11:46

Your husband needs to be the one dealing with this. He needs to contact SS until someone starts listening and he has to explore every avenue possible to try to get full custody.

Summerpigeon · 15/08/2024 12:07

Why would you bring two more children in to this mess.
So any time and attention her dad could of given her ,is now split 3 ways .
If you can't cope with the kids you already have
No sane person keeps producing more.

Azerothi · 15/08/2024 12:14

Summerpigeon · 15/08/2024 12:07

Why would you bring two more children in to this mess.
So any time and attention her dad could of given her ,is now split 3 ways .
If you can't cope with the kids you already have
No sane person keeps producing more.

This.

You have made it much worse for the existing child.

KnickerlessParsons · 15/08/2024 12:17

You don't need to day "bio mum". Just "mum" will do.

lunar1 · 15/08/2024 12:17

He need to fight for his daughter, provide evidence of every concern. Keep a diary, be on constant contact with the school, and he needs to take every opportunity to have her and keep her away from that mess.

She sounds like her and he sister are at severe risk, and social services are failing. I'd like to think he has plenty of resources and time to spare given he's had two more children while his eldest is at risk of harm.

NannyGrace · 15/08/2024 12:54

Thank you for your points of view, some are very helpful

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PrawnAgain · 15/08/2024 13:00

KnickerlessParsons · 15/08/2024 12:17

You don't need to day "bio mum". Just "mum" will do.

Op, ignore people like this. They aren't here to help.

This sounds like a horrible situation for all concerned.

I'm wondering if the NSPCC would be able to signpost you in what you can do to appeal social services decision.

Beamur · 15/08/2024 13:03

Could your DH go to court for more of the balance of time with you both?
It does sound like their Mum is struggling to provide a safe and clean environment albeit not currently crossing the threshold for SS.
I'd continue to make note of all of the things you have noticed - the lack of clean clothes, etc.
The 8year old will be trying to protect her Mum, she may be aware on some level of the conflict and risk of not seeing her Mum. Hence being reluctant to talk whilst also experiencing some big emotions that she's unable to regulate.
I think you're right to be worried as this scenario is only going to get worse and have a more negative impact on these children and yours too.

Ohlittleone · 15/08/2024 13:15

We had a very similar situation and now have full time custody of our step-children. You need to report any concerns to social work, each and every time, even if they keep telling you they can't do anything, they will still need to do checks and log your report so it creates a record. Request all pastoral care notes from the school as well as a record of absences and late comings then mark on this when they have been absent/late whilst in her care. Creare your own diary/record of any concerning behaviours or indicidents. Get all this then go back to court. It may well be that it goes the same as with the other dad, but there's a chance with enough evidence it may not.
Feel free to dm me and I can give more details of our own experience in court which led to us getting custody in case it might help you or even just give you some hope.
I would also be speaking to the school to get your DS included in any counselling or nurture programmes that they have available.

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/08/2024 14:36

Summerpigeon · 15/08/2024 12:07

Why would you bring two more children in to this mess.
So any time and attention her dad could of given her ,is now split 3 ways .
If you can't cope with the kids you already have
No sane person keeps producing more.

This.

It's ridiculous tbh.

Ohlittleone · 15/08/2024 15:06

What is she supposed to do, make her own children that now exist disappear? It's fair enough if she ignores comments saying that they shouldn't have had any more children, how are they in any way helpful?

Jellybeanz456 · 15/08/2024 15:43

Summerpigeon · 15/08/2024 12:07

Why would you bring two more children in to this mess.
So any time and attention her dad could of given her ,is now split 3 ways .
If you can't cope with the kids you already have
No sane person keeps producing more.

Did we read the same post? Op wants help for her partner to gain full custody what part off that tells you she can't cope???

Tbskejue · 15/08/2024 18:24

I’m confused why people are criticising the OP for having her own children; why shouldn’t she? It’s quite normal as a step parent to want your own children.
OP we have been in this situation and we decided to wait, protect DSC as best as we could but not actively pursue full residency. As a teenager DSC decided to live with us and hearing the full truth about what was happening at home has made us really regret not at least trying to gain full residency; so my advice would be to pursue it with the courts. Even in the circumstances of the other child’s dad not being successful I’d still try and I’d keep reporting to social services.
Also are you keeping your own records and evidence

Tbskejue · 15/08/2024 18:26

Also I second everything @Ohlittleone said.

PrawnAgain · 15/08/2024 18:31

I’m confused why people are criticising the OP for having her own children

There are some very strange people on mumsnet who like to come onto the step parenting forum with the sole purpose of having a go at step mums.

NannyGrace · 15/08/2024 18:51

Just want to thank those of you who have given me some really helpful advice and encouraging POV's. Thank you for taking the time

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MattDamon · 15/08/2024 19:00

Are you on civil terms with the other child's father? If so, joining forces may give you a stronger voice and the ability to present more evidence.

NannyGrace · 15/08/2024 19:26

We are actually on very good terms with the other girls dad and his (new) partner. The girls didn't see each other much for the first 2/3 years of the youngest's life and we thought it was important to give them the opportunity to spend time together and see that the rest of us can be amicable.
However a social worker warned both him and my husband not to work legally for full custody together as it can be seen negatively in court. Not sure if that's just what that specific social worker thought or if solicitors would have the same view too.

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geekygardener · 15/08/2024 22:18

Can you just keep your sdc full time? Any parent with PR can simply keep their dc with them and the other parent would have to take you to court to gain access. Is the mum here likely to take your dh to court? Doesn't sound like she would bother or have the resources to.

I'm not saying stop her seeing her mum but what is stopping your dh making the decision to have his dd full time and making the decision ti allow his dd to see her mum during the day or for a day out. He doesn't need a court order to make such decisions. As her father he can just go ahead and do this and sit and wait for the mum to initiate court. If she ever does.

If I knew any child of mine was living in such circumstances I'd make sure they lived with me and protect them. What's stopping him.

Tbskejue · 16/08/2024 07:25

I’m surprised that a social worker would say that; I work within this area and as a general I would say that’s not true unless it was on the basis that your DSD wouldn’t see her mum at all. If you went to court on the basis that you want her with you full time due to the evidence of neglect and she can see her mum each week for example I can’t see how they’d view it negatively

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