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How to explain to ds that he doesn't see his adult step-siblings very much

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User280905 · 15/04/2022 09:09

Trying to boil years of history down to a few sentences here.
Dh has 2 grown up kids. He split with their mum when they were 6 and 3, they're now 26 and 23. Split seemed to be amicable enough although there was unpleasantness at times like when they were dividing up their assets, when he and I first got together, then a bit more when we got married and had kids. Their mum was not keen for me to be involved in their lives at all, there was a long list of things she considered to be a mum's role and I wasn't to do them.
Dsd is not close to us. She is very close to her mum. Fair enough, we've got 3 boys, she was never allowed to go out shopping or anything with me, she drifted away. I think dh should have tried harder, he likes sport and cycling and hiking and running, she doesn't. They have little in common.
Dss does play a bit of sport with dh, they text back and forward, they're a bit distant but fine.
Both are closer to dh's sister who has kids their age, and they are both, dss especially, regular visitors to dh's elderly parents.

Here's the thing. Our ds is 15, he adores his older siblings. But they're not very interested. They're not interested in us as a group, they're not all that interested in their dad. Partly I think because they're young adults doing their own thing, dss has a fairly new job and a fairly new gf, dsd is at uni, has her own flat, would rather be out drinking with her pals than be visiting her much younger brothers.

But a big part of why they don't come and see us/their brothers is because we're just not that close, for the reasons I've tried to explain above. They're just not that interested. And I can't blame them. I kept my distance when they were younger because that's what their mum told me to do, and we thought it was best to do what their mum said. That was a mistake, I have no independent relationship with them at all. Dh finds it really hard to connect with his dd, his ds would just rather do other things.

There are lots of things with hindsight we should have done differently, but we are where we are.

I see my family all the time, my brother, my parents, my cousins. Ds can't understand why he's not so close to his step-siblings. He gets really hurt when he hears they've been out with their cousins (closer in age, one is a girl so close to dsd). He wants to see them way more than they want to see him and he takes that very personally.

If I start any sort of conversation about the history of why they're not that keen to see us it opens up a massive can of worms. And I feel that I have the least stake in the story tbh, it's not really mine to tell.

If I tell my version of the story "Well I didn't ever do anything independent with them because I was scared of their mum so now we're virtual strangers and I'm not in a position to help you build a relationship with them", he would tell them and they would tell their mum and that wouldn't help anyone.

And I can't tell him "well I feel like your dad didn't try hard enough to build a relationship with them on their terms and I'm actually quite angry with him about that, even though he feels he did all he could and circumstances got in the way", that's for dh to discuss with him really.

Tbf he's not a phenomenally different dad to our kids, he's quite serious, quite rigid in his thinking, he tends to expect them to join in things he's doing rather than him join in things they're interested in, he's a bit of a lecturer in parenting style rather than a listener, he tends to tell them what he thinks they should do, tells then what he did in a similar situation 40 years ago. And of course he was really clever, passed all his exams, followed a perfect career path, so a hard act to follow. But because we're together as a couple we compliment each other and it works fine, his older kids just see him on his own.

So far I've just gone for "oh well they're young adults, they're busy, they're interested in other things right now" and change the subject.

What would you say?

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KylieKoKo · 15/04/2022 09:20

I think at 15 your son should be able to understand that they are not close. From what it sounds like you've never had a particularly good relationship with them so where is your son's expectation that they should be close coming from?

Bananarama21 · 15/04/2022 09:23

For starters they are half siblings not step as they share a dad. There is a divide ans by your own admission your dp was distant. Do you do things together as a family such as holidays together, celebrate events such a big birthday is the answers no its non surprise they aren't close. Tbh they are older and leading independent lives.

User280905 · 15/04/2022 09:23

where is your son's expectation that they should be close coming from?

I dont think he expects it, he would just like it.

He's the only one who's become a bit obsessed with asking why we dont see them very much, our other 2 kids are happy with swapping photos of our respective dogs on Snapchat now and again and the occasional kick about with a football in the park.

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GeneLovesJezebel · 15/04/2022 09:23

Perhaps you need to stop starting conversations about them , as you’re just dragging it up.
I have half siblings, they are just people I know. I don’t see them or text them.

Imsittinginthekitchensink · 15/04/2022 09:26

My step siblings aren't my family, I don't have reason or interest in having anything to do with them.

GeneLovesJezebel · 15/04/2022 09:28

They are half siblings, not step siblings.

User280905 · 15/04/2022 09:31

They are half siblings, I know. I was writing about them from my perspective. Our kids know that they are half siblings, that's not an issue.

We do have birthday and Christmas celebrations together every time for all of their birthdays, we usually have a wekend away round about dh's birthday because it's usually in the holidays. But we don't have a drop in when you're passing kind of relationship like we do with my side of the family, I think that's what ds is hankering after. But we've never had it so I don't know why he's so fixated on it now.

He's over-thinking it, he's making me over-think it. We're just not that close, that's just how it is. We do the main things together, we like each other well enough when we are together, that's probably more than many families have.

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WildCoasts · 15/04/2022 09:31

How many people in their 20s are particularly interested in hanging out with a 15 year old? Especially if they barely know them? It sounds like your son has an idea of how he thinks it should be but he needs to understand that sibling relationships are all very different. Some are close, some aren't. Some are closer later on or drift apart. Maybe just explain how they are setting up lives, jobs, relationships, homes and will spend more time with those they can relate to the stage of life of? He needs to not take it personally for his self-esteem and see the wider context.

Bananarama21 · 15/04/2022 09:32

Did you have main holidays together? Days out together? That's how memories and bonds are formed.

SalsaLove · 15/04/2022 09:40

Why can’t you tell him the truth? You say it’s opening a can of worms but really, you did the best you could do at that time. You were forced into not having a relationship with your step children. And your DH sounds like a knob.

UpInTheAttic · 15/04/2022 09:42

I'm wondering if your DS feeling sad about not seeing them more could be a red herring.

Is it possible that your DS has become fixated on them because he is lacking emotional connection, perhaps from his dad?

My own dad sounds quite similar to your DH and I ended up looking for love and connection in the wrong people.

User280905 · 15/04/2022 09:43

@WildCoasts you are absolutely right. I think ds has just got himself in a pickle, he does get a bit fixated on things, and he's got me a bit the same. We're both blowing this out of proportion.

They're just not that interested. Maybe when they're all grown ups they will be, maybe not.

When I read some of the situations people find themselves in with step-families and half siblings on this board I realise we actually did an okay job over the years all things considered. That's probably not as central to our current situation as I think.

The main problem is ds's unrealistic expectations based on not very much, and him taking it all too personally. Of course a 26 yr old man is going to prefer to go to the pub and have a beer with his 22/23 yr old man cousin than sit and watch TV with a 15 yr old boy who only talks about computer games.

I think ds will find that quite hard to take but that's how it is.

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PlayingGrownUp · 15/04/2022 09:46

I don’t think this is a half-sibling thing - it’s an age difference thing.

A 23 year old adult woman is not going to hang around with a 15 year old boy. Nor is a 26 year old man. Ok they might chat at get together and stuff but they’d hardly hang out.

I also think part of you DS’s sudden interest comes from their age - when you are 15 23/26 seems so exotic and cool.

Then there’s unrealistic expectations- I am very close to my sisters and there’s less than 5 years across all three of us and he’ll would freeze over before we’d just drop in on each other because it’s how our family works maybe there’s is the same?

waterboats · 15/04/2022 09:47

Maybe you can say, as you have been doing, that youngish adults generally don't have a lot of time to dedicate to mid teens and that it isn't personal. At this stage in life 10 years is a massive gap( and to be honest any relationship would be much more beneficial to your son than them but obviously you shouldn't say this). Personally I feel that your husband misses the boat in terms of facilitating a sibling relationship between his children but that doesn't mean to say they cannot connect in a more family type relationship later on in life, probably when your son is an adult. That will depend however much more on whether they fit personality wise and whether all parties gain something from the relationship because it appears they don't have a close bond to fall back on.
I would think more about why your son seems particularly interested in them now, and what that could suggest about how he is feeling in himself.

romdowa · 15/04/2022 09:48

He's 15 and he's old enough to know the truth , so tell him. It might help him in the future as well, to realise that sometimes people just aren't interested in a relationship/ friendship with you and that's OK

User280905 · 15/04/2022 09:49

Is it possible that your DS has become fixated on them because he is lacking emotional connection, perhaps from his dad?

Oh god, I'd never considered that. Now I have something else to over-analyse.

He gets on well with his dad, they do a fair bit of cycling together and work on their bikes in the garage. I think they are close in a practical sort of a way if that makes sense.

I'm just going to stick with the different life stages story and stop looking for problems. There are enough actual problems in the world, I need to stop inventing new ones.

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Gettingthereslowly2020 · 15/04/2022 09:52

Just tell him the truth, his dad can be a bit of a knob so his older children have never had a close, loving relationship with him. Explain their mum was also quite strict and so you never got close to them either. Now they're older, they've got their own lives and are going to prioritise spending time with people they have a good relationship with.

Embracelife · 15/04/2022 09:52

Just say they different ages and stages. When he is adult they may or may not form connections. There are other people in the world .

User280905 · 15/04/2022 09:54

A 23 year old adult woman is not going to hang around with a 15 year old boy. Nor is a 26 year old man

Oh this actually made me laugh a bit. You're right.

Poor old ds, he's 15, desperate to be 16, already planning how he'll learn to drive when he 17. He thinks he's already a grown up and I suspect can't understand why his adult siblings don't see him the same way.

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lunar1 · 15/04/2022 13:21

Be honest, your son has a good relationship with his dad because they have things in common. His older children don't have that relationship because he didn't ever bother to find anything they could do together.

I think the mum has inadvertently saved you a lot of heartache to be honest. It sounds like if you had built a relationship you would have been responsible for everything!

There comes a point where children learn that their parents screw up sometimes and that's where you are. Their dad hasn't fostered a feel of family so his older children don't feel it and are getting on with their life.

Your son probably takes after you which is why he misses the connection with his siblings.

Hbh17 · 15/04/2022 13:51

How many 20-something young people want to hang out with their relatives anyway? Whether they are full or half siblings doesn't matter - they are just getting on with their own lives, as you would expect with young adults.

TheSnowyOwl · 15/04/2022 13:58

I agree that it sounds very much like an age thing. Take away the fact they are half siblings and didn’t grow up living together 100% of the time and you’ll find many siblings who spent their entire childhoods living with each other and their parents but didn’t have a close relationship with that age gap; especially when one was in their teens and the other in their twenties.

I’d just explain to your son that they are in a different stage of their lives at the moment and that it might change as he gets older.

User280905 · 15/04/2022 14:24

Their dad hasn't fostered a feel of family so his older children don't feel it and are getting on with their life.
Your son probably takes after you which is why he misses the connection with his siblings

Hmm, there's probably a lot of truth in that. Dh doesn't see his siblings much, he doesn't even see his parents much. He'll do practical things for them, he'll change a lightbulb, he sorted out a new car recently, sold the old one, sorts out mobile phone contracts, did meter readings before the prices went up at the start of April, practical stuff. But actually just being with them and enjoying their company, not so much.

He helped his dd with the practicalities of buying her flat, but he hasn't been round since the day she moved in, apart from once when her tap was leaking.

I don't live near all my family but we talk a lot, we've always got a plan for when we'll next meet up. Dh hasn't seen his kids since Christmas, apart from the dripping tap day. We might see them over Easter, but that's this weekend and we haven't agreed anything so far. That's what ds is agitated about right now.

I guess we're just quite different. We compliment each other when raising our own kids together because we're both there, but he's built a relationship with his older kids without me, and it's quite different from what I would want. It feels quite distant to me. And ds is picking up on the difference too now. But I need to just let him figure that one out for himself I think?

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Magda72 · 15/04/2022 19:25

Opposite perspective here @User280905 in that my exh tries to force my 3 (25, 19 & 16) to spend loads of time with their half siblings who are 6 & 5. They love them of course, but have little interest in spending lots of time with them. They are young adults with their own lives & exh just doesn't get this, & gets offended and then upsets everyone!
I think you just have to explain differing family variables to your son & also explain age gaps. He's also old enough for you to explain loyalty binds with respect to their dm to him which may help him realise their absences aren't really that personal.
My dd 16 often feels left out of stuff when her brothers are around but the gap is closing as she gets older & she's now doing a lot more with them than she used to so all that is present in full sibling situations also.
I'd say so long as your dsc aren't being actively unkind to your son all is as good as could be expected.

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