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SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 07:38

I’m really struggling at the moment with the huge disparity between what is expected / demanded of our household and what DP’s ex partner thinks is acceptable behaviour for her.

I’m sure many of you are familiar with my previous posts but a quick summary for those who aren’t:

  • DP and his exgf split up nearly 12 years ago, I’ve been in a relationship with DP for over 6 years.
  • DP and his ex have 2 DDs who are nearly 17 & nearly 13
  • I have 2 DCs who are 11 & 7. DP and I have no biological children together.
  • We are very involved in SDs lives, they come and go as they please, stay over whenever they want and have dinner here at least a couple of times a week.

So here’s my frustration. I feel like there is so much external pressure for DP and I to do things “the right way” and I feel we have. We waited for nearly a year of dating before becoming involved with each other’s children, waited 4 years to get engaged, 5 years before we decided to blend families and move in together, we’ve ensured all children have their own bedrooms/space in the home, we ensure all children get one on one time with their biological parent and siblings etc etc,

If there is any perceived slight then his exgf his screaming (literally) down the phone, his kids will also throw a fit over the smallest things if they think they’re “unfair”. But, it seems, their mother and them can do whatever they want and they deem it acceptable. The things they shout about are apparently not ok if either DP or I do them.

I’m finding it increasingly difficult to cope with this as I’m simply trying to live my life and take care of my children.

Some recent examples;

  • Any time we try to enforce the smallest of boundaries my SDs will kick off. SD12 has developed a habit of taking my DD11s things without asking. SD12 will not allow any of the other children in her room whatsoever so she does understand boundaries. We sat all the kids down as said as a general rule we do not enter each other’s rooms or take their things without asking permission. Basic respect for each other and the rule applies to everyone in the household and the conversation was not directed at SD, just a general new rule. SD12 screamed (again literally screamed) at us, called her mum and stormed off back to her mum’s house. We then got a barrage of abuse from mum whilst she also insisted my SD should be able to go in everyone’s rooms but my children cannot enter SD’s room.
  • DP’s ex is on boyfriend number 3 since I’ve known her. In 6 years she has introduced 3 men to the children, the first 2 she moved into their hole after less than 3 months of dating. The most recent boyfriend (who she met in late August) and her are now making plans to move in together. All of her partners have also had children who have had to sleep on their sofa / bedroom floors when they have come to visit their dad.
DP and I are getting married in 15 weeks and according to the ex (and kids who she allows to listen in on conversations) they are struggling with us getting married and therefore suffering. We are a stable, loving home which has adjusted well to blended family life but apparently any issues with my SCs must stem from our behaviour, not from mum’s chaotic love life and revolving door of men / children.
  • Anything I do for my own children is criticised by SCs and their mother. If I choose to treat them, take them out for the day, buy them nice birthday gifts etc… I’m wrong, unfair and the SCs have a tantrum about it. I took my DS7 to Thomas Land and stayed in the hotel there for his birthday, just me and him. SD12 has repeatedly brought it up about how it’s unfair he got that treat (as his birthday present I may add!). I didn’t even take my own daughter for goodness sake!
But it’s ok for their mum to take them away on her own for days out or weekends away. It’s only unfair if my children have a nice time with their keg mother.
  • Exgf has often taken the girls on holiday with whichever boyfriend she is dating at the time… without her including the bf’s kids but have included her own. We have a family wedding (my side of the family) which my SCs aren’t invited to and involves a 2 night stay in a hotel. All hell will break loose when they find out, but they’ve only met this relative a handful of times. But I want DP (who will then be my husband) to come obviously. I know we will be called unfair etc, but it’s deemed perfectly acceptable for them to have huge abroad holidays and exclude mum’s bf’s kids.
  • DP and I have never had a holiday on our own. Ever. We always do trips which involve all the children. However, our honeymoon is going to be just him and I. My children obviously understand it’s a honeymoon, not a family holiday. But my SDs and their mother have repeatedly brought up how his children haven’t been abroad in 2 tees due to covid and how we’re selfish to spend the money on ourselves etc.
All the while in sat there remembering the many holidays abroad their mum has taken with her various boyfriends without her children… 3 weeks in Goa, 2 weeks in Gran Caria, 2 weeks in Dubai etc. All DP and I are doing is 5 days in Edinburgh immediately after our wedding as small honeymoon but we’re being lambasted for it,

I know it sounds bitter, but I am held to a much higher standard by his ex and DC’s and it’s completely unfair.

I just wanted to rant really. Has anyone else been in a similar position?

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Getyourarseofffthequattro · 26/11/2021 11:17

I know @Dollyparton3 it is amazing to me that this was a consideration for him. I grew up in a council house. I was just thrilled we owned something. I loved that house. In hindsight I wish we'd never sold it!

The family aren't well off, rich, posh or anything. Never have been. They weren't well off when they were together because she didn't work.

I really don't know where the expectation has come from.

SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 11:17

@Getyourarseofffthequattro we’ve had similar. Our house is nice, large and on the outskirts of the countryside so you only have to walk 2 mins to be in rolling fields. It really is an idyllic location as we get the best of having both the countryside on our doorstep but being only 20 mins drive from 2 major cities.
But we often get remarks about how our area is “rough” from SDs… “Mum said I can’t come trick or treating by your house because it’s so rough around there” Confused

All the while their mum lives in a rented house in an ok area, but with a major motorway on her doorstep.

We have a park near our house which some teens

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sunshinelover69 · 26/11/2021 11:19

Oh dear God this sounds exhausting and my first thought is that no man is worth this kind if shit in your life. Are you sure you want to marry him? I honestly couldn't live like this.

SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 11:58

Sorry I pressed post too soon…
We have a park near our house which is frequented by a group of teens whom some neighbours have complained about, so I’m assuming that is the “rough” element they are referring to.
Funny thing is, these teens are actually SD16’s friends from school and I’ve seen her up there with them!

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SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 12:01

@sunshinelover69 this is the question I keep asking myself.
I love DP so much, I really do. He is kind, considerate and a wonderful stepdad to my children.

I’ve been quite vocal in the last few weeks about my worries regarding these issues. The only saving grace really is that he totally agrees with me. He knows his children are a nightmare and his ex is manipulative, he acknowledges it.
If he pretended it was all ok or wasn’t happening then there would be no hope.

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Tattler2 · 26/11/2021 12:19

OP, you have quite the catalog of complaints about these girls and their mother. You have not stated anything nice or pleasant about your interaction with them,and perhaps there is nothing pleasant.

That begs the question as to why you are choosing to not only stay but to legally tie yourself and your children to this increasingly arrangement? What are you and children gaining from this living arrangement? If this has gone on for so many years with no improvement, for what possible Christians are you hoping?

Surely your children would be happier in a different living arrangement
and given what you have said about his children, they too would probably prefer an arrangement different to the current arrangement.

You can have a wedding, but you will not be joining or merging anything more than 2 sets of unhappy children.
After all of these years, your issues remain unresolved and it seem that all of the children involved are unhappy in this arrangement.

In your situation, I would be looking for ways to extract myself and my children from this situation. If I truly loved this man, I might continue to date him, but I would not live with him and his children. Your children and even his children deserve the opportunity to live without ongoing conflict.

I do not see marriage adding anything positive to your household,A d you are entering into marriage being fully aware of the existing and unresolved issues.

Do you not want a life with peace and some measure of harmony?

sunshinelover69 · 26/11/2021 12:24

I’ve been quite vocal in the last few weeks about my worries regarding these issues. The only saving grace really is that he totally agrees with me. He knows his children are a nightmare and his ex is manipulative, he acknowledges it.
If he pretended it was all ok or wasn’t happening then there would be no hope.

It's all well and good him acknowledging it and agreeing with you, but what is he doing about it? That's the key question. Blending families isn't easy - I'm sure you know that already. I don't have half the drama that you do but some days I wish very much that I had not got married and kept my own house and had time and space to myself. I never really wanted to take on someone else's kids but I was persuaded that it made sense not to run two households.

SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 12:38

@Tattler2 there are many reasons why we are getting married, much of them pragmatic which I’m not going to divulge on here.

Not all of the children are unhappy, mine are very happy in our set up and for the most part so are my SCs. They’re just incredibly jealous of anything either DP or I do, together or separately.

Believe it or not SCs lives are much enhanced with me in it, I have improved their quality of life and their overall happiness. What they can’t seem to accept is that they are not the centre of the universe and believe they are entitled to everything everyone else around them has.

Us living separately would not change that, they would continue to look for disparity between households still. They are jealous/annoyed if DP spends any money on himself for example.

My children would be negatively affected if we were to live separately though. They love DP and enjoy living with him.

My concern is how to manage the unreasonable expectations from his ex and the girls. Why do they think it’s acceptable to behave one way and insist we behave differently?

I don’t have much nice to say about them because there isn’t much nice to say. I accept them, am kind to them, help out where I can but I can’t say I am particularly fond of who they are as people if that makes sense?

I am marrying DP because I want to. I want to be his wife and build a life together. His children come as part of the package that I accept in order to be with him.

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SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 12:41

@sunshinelover69 this is has been the topic of our conversations recently. I’m aware he has no control over how his ex behaves but he needs to try harder to protect me from it.
I’ve said I expect him to shield me from her drama or from the bad behaviour of his children by dealing with it away from me and only informing me where it is necessary I know (e.g. last minute changes to schedule).

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Getyourarseofffthequattro · 26/11/2021 12:44

My concern is how to manage the unreasonable expectations from his ex and the girls. Why do they think it’s acceptable to behave one way and insist we behave differently?

Honestly, I don't think you can. I think when children have been brought up that way, it's hard to get them to stop behaving like that. Whilst they have the influence of their mum, it'll not change.

All you can do is calmly reply every time that they need to follow the rules in your home. Don't divuldge financial details.

So if she asks for an Audi say, sorry but that is x thousand pounds and not a realistic expectation. Don't say "we can't afford it" because that's when the "yes you can you have this and you bought this and mum says you earn this" starts.

You have to just stamp it out as it starts and stay firm.

SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 12:49

@Getyourarseofffthequattro I think you’re right.
It’s bizarre because I find myself trying to explain my actions or behaviour to children which I would never do with my own!
They’re very entitled in the way they speak to adults which shocks me at times. If my own children asked for something and I said no, I wouldn’t necessarily explain my reasoning in detail to them it would be a simple “No you can’t go to the park because it’s dark now and I don’t think it’s safe to go on your own”. Whereas SD12 for example would push the limits and keep needling for my explanation “What’s wrong with it being dark? I’ll wear a coat. You’ll have to come with me then” and so on.

I think we should just stop explaining and go with a more “no means no” rhetoric from now on.

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Getyourarseofffthequattro · 26/11/2021 12:51

To be honest things like that I would expect your partner to deal with. But yes in general, don't get into a debate about it.

We used to get "mum let's me do x" and we ended up just saying we aren't mum and this isn't mum's house.

SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 12:54

@Getyourarseofffthequattro yes I try to let DP deal with it. The problem is I could be talking to my own DD and SD involved herself. “Why won’t you let her wear make up? My mum lets me wear make up” etc.

I don’t have to justify my parenting decisions to a child!

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Tattler2 · 26/11/2021 12:55

OP, you and your partner are not managing the situation, the situation is managing you. It is the height of absurdity to have so very many complaints about a situation and then to claim that all the parties are happy as clams.

Pragmatic reasons , in my opinion, generally translates as financial reasons and some times ease of travel. Neither of those are sufficient reasons to marry or live together in an unpleasant situation.

Your future is not likely to be any different than your present. Your step daughters are not seemingly impressed with whatever improvements that you think that you have brought to their quality of life. If these constant conflict has somehow made life better for your children then perhaps they too have had unfortunate life experiences.

It is obvious that you are going ahead with your plans, and that is fine for you. You are going to continue doing as you have done and things will continue as they have been.

If marriage does not enhance your
life , it is probably not going to change it too much. I

Getyourarseofffthequattro · 26/11/2021 12:57

@Tattler2

OP, you and your partner are not managing the situation, the situation is managing you. It is the height of absurdity to have so very many complaints about a situation and then to claim that all the parties are happy as clams.

Pragmatic reasons , in my opinion, generally translates as financial reasons and some times ease of travel. Neither of those are sufficient reasons to marry or live together in an unpleasant situation.

Your future is not likely to be any different than your present. Your step daughters are not seemingly impressed with whatever improvements that you think that you have brought to their quality of life. If these constant conflict has somehow made life better for your children then perhaps they too have had unfortunate life experiences.

It is obvious that you are going ahead with your plans, and that is fine for you. You are going to continue doing as you have done and things will continue as they have been.

If marriage does not enhance your
life , it is probably not going to change it too much. I

Tattler. Read the room!
Getyourarseofffthequattro · 26/11/2021 12:58

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@Getyourarseofffthequattro yes I try to let DP deal with it. The problem is I could be talking to my own DD and SD involved herself. “Why won’t you let her wear make up? My mum lets me wear make up” etc.

I don’t have to justify my parenting decisions to a child![/quote]
Ah yeah that's very frustrating. I would just try and shut it down. "Because that's my choice as a parent" is enough. Perhaps even say that you don't owe her an explanation! Maybe she will get the message.

Dollyparton3 · 26/11/2021 12:58

@Tattler2 I'm not sure that a stroppy demanding teen is a reason to not live together or marry, that's giving ALL the power to a brat and teaching her that bratty behavior wins every time. It might work in your world but it's setting the kid up for a massive life fail and everyone loses out.

The irony is that if the OP splits from her partner he will have significantly less disposable income, a smaller home and SD all of a sudden has nothing to compare when she wants to grumble about her perception of fair treatment.

Take away the negotiation OP and you're right, no means no. No negotiation, no listening to the whining, let her sulk and get on with it. In our case SD witheld contact to "punish" her dad and as much as he missed her he refused to cave. That was after he tried to safeguard her online activity and she told us "mum lets me do what I want". Guess what, she still moaned when we went on holiday with her brother and not her.

Ohpulltheotherone · 26/11/2021 13:00

The ex has WAY too much leverage in this situation. Why is she able to ring up and scream down the phone? Why does anyone tolerate it.

If my DP rang up and screamed at me I’d put the phone down - and that’s my actual partner not an ex.

Your DH needs to take a stand here - the kids are one thing, they sound extremely confused and badly influenced by their mum but with time and effort they will probably grow out of it.
But the ex - she shouldn’t be allowed or invited to openly pass any comment, opinion or judgment on your life. I mean she can think what the hell she likes in her own head but who the hell allows another person outside of their family to dictate the terms.

Your partner needs to grow a pair and block her from calling - emails or messages only. The kids are old enough that she doesn’t need direct immediate access to their dad.
Sod that.

My SC mum has NO avenue into our home - she’s a pain in the arse and always talks about shite to the kids about their dad but she has zero access to him or me or our home.

The kids are tricky but the ex is very clear - cut her access off immediately

FestiveMayo · 26/11/2021 13:02

That sounds absolutely exasperating OP. You must truly have the patience of a saint as I'd have snapped and yelled by now. And then been painted as the evil one forever more.

Cptainflaps · 26/11/2021 13:05

Oh OP, I do feel for you. We also live in “double standard land”. It’s INCREDIBLY frustrating being told something you are doing is “wrong” yet if the other party does it then it’s fine.
My only advice if I’m honest is you cannot control what goes on in DMs home (so don’t try) but she also cannot control what goes on in yours.
Aside from emergencies relating to the children and anything urgent, don’t engage. If she moans about you doing something with your DS that hasn’t been reciprocated with SC, either don’t respond or just pull out the old “I’m sorry you feel like that”. Personally I wouldn’t respond as really to you she is a stranger and would you let them dictate what you do with your son?
It’s none of her business what goes on under your roof. Also you can’t do an awful lot about DM not being on the same page parenting wise with your DH. But for him I’d suggest bringing in consequences. If his DD keeps going in the other children's rooms then address it as you have, if she storms off to DMs then fine, when she comes back reiterate, if she storms off again so be it, just remain consistent, it’ll do her a favour in the long run.

Cptainflaps · 26/11/2021 13:06

Also your SC really are just emulating the behaviour of their DM, if you carry on explaining yourself/relenting to her abuse then they’ll assume that’s how to get what they want.

aSofaNearYou · 26/11/2021 13:07

From everything you've ever posted about your situation I honestly don't know how you put up with any of them, mother or daughters. If I were you I'd have detached from all of them and their issues long ago!

NearlyThereMum · 26/11/2021 13:29

@SpongebobNoPants

I’m really struggling at the moment with the huge disparity between what is expected / demanded of our household and what DP’s ex partner thinks is acceptable behaviour for her.

I’m sure many of you are familiar with my previous posts but a quick summary for those who aren’t:

  • DP and his exgf split up nearly 12 years ago, I’ve been in a relationship with DP for over 6 years.
  • DP and his ex have 2 DDs who are nearly 17 & nearly 13
  • I have 2 DCs who are 11 & 7. DP and I have no biological children together.
  • We are very involved in SDs lives, they come and go as they please, stay over whenever they want and have dinner here at least a couple of times a week.

So here’s my frustration. I feel like there is so much external pressure for DP and I to do things “the right way” and I feel we have. We waited for nearly a year of dating before becoming involved with each other’s children, waited 4 years to get engaged, 5 years before we decided to blend families and move in together, we’ve ensured all children have their own bedrooms/space in the home, we ensure all children get one on one time with their biological parent and siblings etc etc,

If there is any perceived slight then his exgf his screaming (literally) down the phone, his kids will also throw a fit over the smallest things if they think they’re “unfair”. But, it seems, their mother and them can do whatever they want and they deem it acceptable. The things they shout about are apparently not ok if either DP or I do them.

I’m finding it increasingly difficult to cope with this as I’m simply trying to live my life and take care of my children.

Some recent examples;

  • Any time we try to enforce the smallest of boundaries my SDs will kick off. SD12 has developed a habit of taking my DD11s things without asking. SD12 will not allow any of the other children in her room whatsoever so she does understand boundaries. We sat all the kids down as said as a general rule we do not enter each other’s rooms or take their things without asking permission. Basic respect for each other and the rule applies to everyone in the household and the conversation was not directed at SD, just a general new rule. SD12 screamed (again literally screamed) at us, called her mum and stormed off back to her mum’s house. We then got a barrage of abuse from mum whilst she also insisted my SD should be able to go in everyone’s rooms but my children cannot enter SD’s room.
  • DP’s ex is on boyfriend number 3 since I’ve known her. In 6 years she has introduced 3 men to the children, the first 2 she moved into their hole after less than 3 months of dating. The most recent boyfriend (who she met in late August) and her are now making plans to move in together. All of her partners have also had children who have had to sleep on their sofa / bedroom floors when they have come to visit their dad.
DP and I are getting married in 15 weeks and according to the ex (and kids who she allows to listen in on conversations) they are struggling with us getting married and therefore suffering. We are a stable, loving home which has adjusted well to blended family life but apparently any issues with my SCs must stem from our behaviour, not from mum’s chaotic love life and revolving door of men / children.
  • Anything I do for my own children is criticised by SCs and their mother. If I choose to treat them, take them out for the day, buy them nice birthday gifts etc… I’m wrong, unfair and the SCs have a tantrum about it. I took my DS7 to Thomas Land and stayed in the hotel there for his birthday, just me and him. SD12 has repeatedly brought it up about how it’s unfair he got that treat (as his birthday present I may add!). I didn’t even take my own daughter for goodness sake!
But it’s ok for their mum to take them away on her own for days out or weekends away. It’s only unfair if my children have a nice time with their keg mother.
  • Exgf has often taken the girls on holiday with whichever boyfriend she is dating at the time… without her including the bf’s kids but have included her own. We have a family wedding (my side of the family) which my SCs aren’t invited to and involves a 2 night stay in a hotel. All hell will break loose when they find out, but they’ve only met this relative a handful of times. But I want DP (who will then be my husband) to come obviously. I know we will be called unfair etc, but it’s deemed perfectly acceptable for them to have huge abroad holidays and exclude mum’s bf’s kids.
  • DP and I have never had a holiday on our own. Ever. We always do trips which involve all the children. However, our honeymoon is going to be just him and I. My children obviously understand it’s a honeymoon, not a family holiday. But my SDs and their mother have repeatedly brought up how his children haven’t been abroad in 2 tees due to covid and how we’re selfish to spend the money on ourselves etc.
All the while in sat there remembering the many holidays abroad their mum has taken with her various boyfriends without her children… 3 weeks in Goa, 2 weeks in Gran Caria, 2 weeks in Dubai etc. All DP and I are doing is 5 days in Edinburgh immediately after our wedding as small honeymoon but we’re being lambasted for it,

I know it sounds bitter, but I am held to a much higher standard by his ex and DC’s and it’s completely unfair.

I just wanted to rant really. Has anyone else been in a similar position?

So sorry you're having to deal with this. Hope it eases off, congrats on the upcoming wedding. Sending you best wishes Smile
SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 13:32

It is the height of absurdity to have so very many complaints about a situation and then to claim that all the parties are happy as clams

I never said all parties are happy but you implied all the children are unhappy. I corrected you, mine are not. Also, yes my SDs do seem unhappy but they would be considerably less happy if their father and I split up or lived separately, yes I’m aware that sounds absurd but it is true.

They have a much better quality of life with me in it, nicer home, better holidays, extra help / lifts to and from activities etc. One of my SD’s would not be able to take part in her favourite hobby if I wasn’t there to facilitate it. So yes, I do think I have improved their quality of life but these are children with such a deep rooted sense of entitlement that I feel not much will truly make them content. I would be very surprised if they don’t end up complaining about their lot in life well into adulthood.

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SpongebobNoPants · 26/11/2021 13:32

@NearlyThereMum thank you for your kind message

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